Why wouldn't Ford put 3.5 EcoBoost in Raptors?

[mudblood]

Don't be hatin on the ecoboost. It will kick our ass in the 1/4 with the right gearing and there is plenty evidence of that on You Tube. I don't want a six banger but with just a little work those folks are putting out 400 to the wheels with no problem. I like the rumble of the eight and the quick torque but that twin turbo will certainly surprise anyone.

 

[Ruger]

Don't be hatin on the ecoboost. It will kick our ass in the 1/4 with the right gearing and there is plenty evidence of that on You Tube. I don't want a six banger but with just a little work those folks are putting out 400 to the wheels with no problem. I like the rumble of the eight and the quick torque but that twin turbo will certainly surprise anyone.

That "right gearing" would include a new tire size that no one would put on a special purpose off-road truck like the Raptor.

You see, when you test drive an EB vs. a 6.2 Raptor, it's not a straight comparison. It's difficult to deduce which F150 models are actually available with the EB engine, but I think that most if not all of them weigh less than the 6,000+ pound Raptor and that they all have smaller tires. Put LT315/70R17 tires under an EB equipped FX4 and add enough weight to make it weigh what a Raptor weighs - THEN you will have a fair comparison. Of course the Ford dealership won't let you do that. And if you want a real test, put Raptor tires under an EB equipped FX4 and do a max weight tow/haul comparison with a Raptor. I think that this answers the original question posed on this thread - why Ford doesn't offer the Raptor with a 3.5L EB V6.

 

[Rookie]

Here: http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f162/more-ecoboost-ford-raptor-evidence-2013-a-10320/

Thank you kaiser. It's hard to find and link threads on TapaTalk.

 

[Glassman]

How much is the cost to add a EB to say the basic f-150.

 

[Cleave]

The reason ford won't put a EB in the raptor, 6.2 vs. 3.5, is there any more explanation? EB raptors would get little **** syndrome whenever around 6.2 raptors

 

[RAPTORSV]

Same reason not to buy a 4 cylinder Eco boost in the new Mustang. It's gonna Suck!

 

[The Outrage]

I don't believe Ford intended that the twin-turbo 3.5 liter V6 displace their range-topping 6.2 liter V8. It was to be a fuel-efficient alternative to the smaller displacement V8 (the 5.0 liter). As such, the drivetrain was given the green-washed name "EcoBoost". The market, however, decided it really liked the EcoBoost engine and sales skyrocketed. Note that the previous top-of-the-range model, the Harley-Davidson, was only available with the 6.2 liter V8. When that model was rechristened the Limited its engine was swapped to the EcoBoost. Ford now has two flagship engines which is complicating trim level decisions. The Raptor is a performance model, and as such, should come with the most powerful engine. No one is buying a Raptor to conserve fuel. When fuel consumption is removed, which engine really is the powerhouse? Ford's own Tremor package, which is designed for performance as well, confuses this further by being exclusively equipped with the EcoBoost engine.

I put quite a bit of thought into the decision between an EcoBoost model and a 6.2 liter V8 model. While similar power output means the engines end up with similar acceleration times the power delivery differs greatly between the two drivetrains. The 6.2 liter V8 provides a fairly linear power curve. It is very predictable and tractable. Power output increases with RPMs. The EcoBoost has some noticeable lag at lower RPMs. Once the turbos spool to speed, torque delivery is immediate and flat. Power output is either "on or off". This provides fuel savings but creates a less satisfying driving experience.

My prediction is that Ford will drop the larger 6.2 liter V8 and make the EcoBoost its top engine choice for the redesigned model. This will help them increase their CAFE figures and the majority of their customer base will never notice the difference. One of the reasons I purchased the 2014 Raptor was to get what might be the last of a dying breed. A large displacement V8 engined pickup. It makes no apologies for what it is. It's loud and in-your-face. One day it might be regarded as a relic of the past, of a time when people were able to drive their own vehicles, when we were able to choose vehicles that didn't need to conform to a central planner's vision of our society.

 

[AlpineM3]

The eco boost raptor SDHQ built that was driven and reviewed by Matt Farrah of the Drive channel was and still is one of my favorite videos and truck. Thing has absolutely no problem off road and was stated to have at least 400hp-eclipsing 500ft lbs of torque with simple bolt ons and close to 18 mpg. And for those thinking it was solely an engine swap on a raptor, no, they put raptor parts on a standard scab f-150.

I'm impressed and although some of the points made above are valid, I personally would like to see Ford do something with the EcoBoost and see them doing so in the near future. For god sakes, even the new mustang is being boosted, why not the raptor....my .02 cents

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[Dv8tor]

Well if you really want a EcoBoo Raptor, call SDHQ and they will build you one. Or you can call Jamal and ask him yourself. I'm happy with my 6.2.

 

[mudblood]

That "right gearing" would include a new tire size that no one would put on a special purpose off-road truck like the Raptor.

You see, when you test drive an EB vs. a 6.2 Raptor, it's not a straight comparison. It's difficult to deduce which F150 models are actually available with the EB engine, but I think that most if not all of them weigh less than the 6,000+ pound Raptor and that they all have smaller tires. Put LT315/70R17 tires under an EB equipped FX4 and add enough weight to make it weigh what a Raptor weighs - THEN you will have a fair comparison. Of course the Ford dealership won't let you do that. And if you want a real test, put Raptor tires under an EB equipped FX4 and do a max weight tow/haul comparison with a Raptor. I think that this answers the original question posed on this thread - why Ford doesn't offer the Raptor with a 3.5L EB V6.

No....the right gearing would be the optional 3:73 gear. Actually to drag race at least the back tires are usually pretty large. I never said the Raptor was for drag racing. I am only stating a point that the little six banger will run a faster 1/4 mile than the Raptor. I think the eco boost will be the wave of the future particularly with the new cafe rules for gas mileage coming oput in the future. I expect the 6.2 has a very limited life unless they can figure out a way to drastically improve gas mileage. Even more reason to hang on to what ya got.