Why wouldn't Ford put 3.5 EcoBoost in Raptors?

[justvettn]

The 6.2 wasn't the original engine only because it wasn't quite ready for the 2010 model year, the thing is that Jamal saved the 6.2L with the raptor, if the hurricane/boss project had gone another year without a production vehicle running it ford most likely would've axed the project and ford wouldn't have a relatively large gas v-8 at all, that's how close big v-8s are to being dropped forever (and a 6.2L isn't really a very large v-8 to begin with), and it wouldn't stop with them, smaller v-8s would be the next to be axed, look at government motors, their cts-v line doesn't even have a v-8 anymore, that was supposed to be their top performance cadillac

Cleave where do you get your information? Ford uses the 6.2L in other trucks and CTS-V still has a V8, its a 556HP V8 that does 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds.

 

[Reptar]

Reptar I take it you're 6.2 is stock? what would happen If you took the 6.2 and stuck it in the harley truck? ran it thru it's paces then stuck the ecoboost in that same truck and ran it what would win?

Yup, because if I want to go fast in a truck, I'm driving the 9 second Harley truck. I could dump $10k in the Raptor to supercharge it, full exhaust, etc. and still have a slow 13 second truck. And the axle wrap is bad enough stock, can't imagine these guys with 500 rwhp and no traction bars.

If I put that 6.2 in the Harley truck, it would slow it down. It's an even bigger friggin iron boat anchor block than my 5.4 iron block. And my blower options of roush or whipple won't hold a candle to my KB. Now IF KB made a blower that fit the 6.2, and IF they offered an aluminum block, and IF I dropped a stupid amount of money for all kinds of custom one off parts to make it fit, and a stupid amount of money to bore it and stroke it, yes it would have more potential from the sheer increase in displacement, but there's a quick line that comes up where the amount of money to do that for the marginal gains it would provide makes it cost prohibitive to even consider it. I'd go aluminum block 5.4 and bore and stroke my current motor long before going 6.2. Heck I'd go 5.8 long before going 6.2.

Damn dude..............you got a used car lot or something?? Power is all relative............hell my other little car makes just about everything feel like

lol I bleed blue and gasoline runs in my veins! List of vehicles in the past 3-4 years:
9 second 2000 HD truck
13 second 2000 HD truck (street truck to tow the "race" truck) - sold
2004 Lightning (red) - sold
2003 Lightning (dsg) - sold
2001 Lightning (blk) - sold
2000 Lightning (blk) - wrecked
1999 Lightning (blk) - sold
1985 F150 w/ '94 Lightning engine swap
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 - traded
2013 Explorer Sport
2012 Raptor

So then why was the 6.2 not even an option at first if the truck was designed for the motor.

6.2 because 'Murica. Seems to be most of the argument here.

lol yup, it's comical. best responses I've seen so far

6.2 is better than the 3.5 because ecoboost can be called ecoturd
6.2 is better than 3.5 because loud exhaust is cooler than turbo spool
6.2 is better than 3.5 because it was designed for the Raptor, even though the Raptor was originally designed with a 5.4
6.2 is better than the 3.5 because the 3.5 isn't durable, even though one watch of the ford torture test shows it through hell and back without a hiccup and it was on Ward's 10 best engines list in 2012 (didn't see the 6.2 on there)
6.2 is better than the 3.5 because it's only for the Raptor, even though it's also in the HD truck, Platinum, and superduties


lol I'm not hating on the 6.2 engine, I think it's a great engine, and I certainly prefer it over the N/A 5.4, and have had zero issues with my 6.2 Raptor, but I'm not going to say the 6.2 or the 3.5 or any engine for that matter is better than another for frivolous reasons half of which are made up "facts" lol

The 6.2 wasn't the original engine only because it wasn't quite ready for the 2010 model year, the thing is that Jamal saved the 6.2L with the raptor, if the hurricane/boss project had gone another year without a production vehicle running it ford most likely would've axed the project and ford wouldn't have a relatively large gas v-8 at all, that's how close big v-8s are to being dropped forever (and a 6.2L isn't really a very large v-8 to begin with), and it wouldn't stop with them, smaller v-8s would be the next to be axed, look at government motors, their cts-v line doesn't even have a v-8 anymore, that was supposed to be their top performance cadillac

lol what source are you using? Makes no sense on the Raptor saving the 6.2, it's used in other trucks besides just the Raptor, and the low volume of Raptors are probably a drop in the bucket for justifying a single engine lineup, the engine comes in other model trucks. And your info on the caddy, stop reading Wikipedia, the CTS-V still comes with a V8 lol

I have yet to see any proof a 3.5L ecoboost can reliably perform for hundreds of thousands of miles, tow boats and trailers, and still get good fuel mileage on a 6000# vehicle. I already know a 6.2L can do all of those things (minus the fuel mileage). "Premature" would be an understatement to most of these claims.

So how do you know a 6.2 can do it but a 3.5 can't? The 6.2 and 3.5 both came out around pretty much the exact same time so not like one is a brand new engine one is one that's been around for decades. And the 3.5 is actually in a lot more vehicles than the 6.2, so they've racked up more cumulative mileage. Take a few mins to watch the ford torture tests on the ecoboost, it's a good watch. Also checkout the reviews, there's a reason the ecoboost made Ward's 10 best engines list

You know the 6.2 is what is used in the gas 3/4 and 1 tons.

Sssshhhhhh!!!!! Nobody's supposed to know that. Just tell everyone the Raptor is special, it has a special V8 that nobody else has, that SVT designed just for the Raptor, even though SVT did didly squat to the 6.2 in the Raptor, and it comes in other trim model f150's as the exact same engine, and in superduty trucks too lol.

 

[matrix243]

Eb is just too light duty. Even things that you don't pay attention to like exhaust manifold stress. A large cast manifold can hold up to hard chassis torsion. Or less complicated cooling systems, with less chances of failure.

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More secure motor mounts bolted to cast, more secure and less chance of failure.

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Reptar, you're listing all street queens.

 

[Labraptor]

Finally I found something in here I need to know about. Off topic though. Reptar how do you like the Explorer Sport? Thinking about getting one for my wife. She used to be a Jeep girl but hates the dog of an engine in the Unlimited and hates the styling of the Cherokee more.

 

[matrix243]

3.5 is just a full fledge ***** engine. all is to it.

 

[Reptar]

Eb is just too light duty. Even things that you don't pay attention to like exhaust manifold stress. A large cast manifold can hold up to hard chassis torsion. Or less complicated cooling systems, with less chances of failure.

And your rationale that it's too light duty is based on what? That it's rated at 365 hp / 420 tq? Or for towing 11,300 lbs? Or that one can be pulled from the assembly line, ran on the dyno for 150,000 miles, temperature shocked from -20F and heated to 235F and ran at WOT the whole way up...repeatedly...then put in a truck to haul 110,000 lbs of logs off road to a skidder, then driven across the country and a trailer with 11,300 lbs hooked up and driven for 24 hours non stop other than fuel & tires for 1,600+ miles at WOT with the turbos glowing cherry red the entire time, then driven to the desert to tow 9,000 lbs up a 6* grade beating a chevy and ram V8, then pulled out of the regular f150 and dropped in a 7,100 lb f150 race truck and driven 1,200 miles in testing and over 1,000 miles in the Baja 1000 finishing first in stock engine class, then pulled out of that truck, redynoed only losing ONE horsepower from when it was new (364 hp/420 tq), then fully disassembled and inspected to verify everything was still within wear tolerances.

Yeah that sounds way too light duty and like ford didn't pay attention to durability for it

 

[mudblood]

3.5 is just a full fledge ***** engine. all is to it.

Now that is a real adult statement. No way to make a rational argument with your premise. By the way what constitutes "full fledged ***** engine " exactly.

 

[Reptar]

Reptar, you're listing all street queens.

So? They're the vehicles I own, I rarely ever offroad my raptor, I didn't buy it to offroad. I'd bet majority of the raptors out there don't ever get driven offroad like they were designed to. I never once said any comparison of the Raptor to another offroad vehicle, I just said it feels like a **** driving on the street compared to my other rides.

Finally I found something in here I need to know about. Off topic though. Reptar how do you like the Explorer Sport? Thinking about getting one for my wife. She used to be a Jeep girl but hates the dog of an engine in the Unlimited and hates the styling of the Cherokee more.

Absolutely love it. We had to trade in my wife's 2011 5.0 mustang for it, so it was sad to see it go, we definitely miss the sound of the 5.0 and banging gears and smoking tires, that car was a blast, but with a new kiddo, we needed a family vehicle for her to daily drive. The explorer sport was our top choice. Nimble for an SUV, great brakes, we like the styling of the sport, all kinds of creature comforts like the Raptor, and that 3.5 ecoboost hauls ass in that thing. Nothing like an SRT-8 jeep, but it's $20k less and 10mpg more lol. Runs 14.5 bone stock, with just a tune they're going low 13's, and with a downpipe and intake they're running high 12's. Not too shabby for $1,500 in mods and 5,200 lbs!

3.5 is just a full fledge ***** engine. all is to it.

lol I rest my case, no valid arguments on why the 3.5 is such a horrible engine, just name calling lol

 

[justvettn]

Finally I found something in here I need to know about. Off topic though. Reptar how do you like the Explorer Sport? Thinking about getting one for my wife. She used to be a Jeep girl but hates the dog of an engine in the Unlimited and hates the styling of the Cherokee more.

They have a new motor in the Jeep now, almost 300 horsepower.

 

[Wilson]

is there a video of the 6.2 engine to prove it's durability or didn't they need one hehe jk I like ford . but would like to see a 6.2 put there the same paces with e-30 of course.

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I was hooked on the ecoboost from the get go but I can't afford more than one vehicle. And remember a lot of ppl that drive raptors came from other brands so they are not ford threw and threw... that's ok now they got the taste.