Why wouldn't Ford put 3.5 EcoBoost in Raptors?

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That's not true, when in development in the raptor R everything on the engine other than the block was tweaked until SVT was happy with how the engine performed for Baja, then between when the raptor r ran Baja and when the 6.2L came out in the raptor mid year 2010 even more tweaks were made to improve long term reliability, no modifications were made to the engine for it to better suit life in a super duty, the only difference between a 411 HP boss engine in a raptor and a 385 horsepower boss engine in a super duty is the power train control module (programming), the 6.2L was designed for the raptor, it was adapted for the super duty
 

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Wow! Lots of replies in this thread.

First, I see lots of hate towards the 3.5L EcoBoost, especially in respect to it's acceleration. Like Reptar has pointed out from his experience at the Ford Drive event, the 6.2L trucks and the 3.5L EB trucks are putting up virtually the same drag times. Also, you can/could get a 6.2L in explicitly equipped non-Raptor F-150's, including FX4 Luxury, Lariat Plus, and Platinum. There are a few videos on YouTube of these 6.2L trucks racing against 3.5L EB trucks and the collective results pretty much conclude a tie. This is only my opinion and I realize that it may spark argument, but I'm going to presume that those who are saying that the 3.5L EB is a **** probably didn't really drive one or the rumble of the 6.2L V8 just fooled them into thinking that the Raptor was faster.

With that said, I'd take a 6.2L Raptor over a 3.5L EcoBoost Raptor 8 days a week, 25 hours a day. The Raptor is a prerunner style truck that was "Born in Baja." Most traditional trucks in this genre are naturally aspirated; less mechanical parts is almost always synonymous with less broken parts, especially when driven hard. This is not to say that the EcoBoost engine is not durable, just watch some of the EcoBoost Torture Test videos if you think differently. The 6.2L is the epitome of reliability in a platform that demands performance and doesn't care how many gallons of fuel it drinks in the process. I'd choose the 6.2L truck all day long and forgive me for saying that I feel that anyone who chooses the 3.5L EcoBoost Raptor because it would be lighter and/or get better fuel economy is not the target customer that Ford/SVT had in mind when they designed this truck. The Raptor is a niche market SVT product that was designed to go fast in the dirt, just because it does a lot of other things really good too doesn't mean that "we" should try to make it's fuel economy conform to the masses.

For those speculating about the future of Ford and the 6.2L engine. First of all, to my knowledge, there has been no official word from Ford that there will even be a next model Raptor. However, it'd be pretty surprising if Ford passed on the opportunity to continue cashing in on a truck selling for near MSRP. The 2014 may very well be the last 6.2L Raptor, or it may not be. The 2012 Shelby GT500 had a 550hp SC 5.4L and the 2013+ model got a 662hp SC 5.8L that produced even slightly better fuel economy. This is not to say that Raptor is going to follow suit, but it's just an example of how SVT trends don't always align with the rest of Ford.

One last comment, how can people already be bashing the 2015 2.3L EcoBoost Mustang when it was just debuted a few days ago and pretty much nobody has even driven one yet???

That's what I was trying to say. I forget it's a svt lol
 

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Wow! Lots of replies in this thread.



One last comment, how can people already be bashing the 2015 2.3L EcoBoost Mustang when it was just debuted a few days ago and pretty much nobody has even driven one yet???

I built my buggy using the old 2.3L svt turbo running about 240hp and its effing awesome!!! This new one is so badass people are going to love it!! Now I need to get me one of these and install it in my buggy!!! lol
 

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***** gettin' deep in this thread
Camshaft profile and I want to say valve springs are also different between super duty and raptor 6.2. It's not just tune..

You could buy a 2011 6.2 SD off the lot before 6.2 raptors were being shipped to dealers. This was due to both MY timing and the fact the first few weeks of 6.2 raptor production were PR units only. That and the crank sensor issue haulted delivery after the first few hundred units left.

The claims that the 6.2 was developed for the raptor and adapted for the SD are rediculous. Some of these statements are so far off it's not even funny.
 

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I thought the 6.2 was originally going to be called hurricane for a mustang but with katrina they put it on the shelf. Then reopened it with the raptor in mind. Don't quote me I heard it on the internet on a ford video the new mustang one if you watch that video.
 

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I thought the 6.2 was originally going to be called hurricane for a mustang but with katrina they put it on the shelf. Then reopened it with the raptor in mind. Don't quote me I heard it on the internet on a ford video the new mustang one if you watch that video.

I think its safe to say the original architect was called hurricane and later shelved when the economy took a slide and ford as well as other manufactures were unsure of the future. The name was switched from hurricane to boss after Katrina and now it's just "6.2". I believe there were several veriations based off the hurricane, but the SOHC iron block with 6.2 displacement was the one and only production model.
 

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Ya I'm sure Ford said let's shelve this engine till all the bad press on Hurricanes subside for another year.
 

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wow. ok read the whole thread, is there a definitive statement from ford about the development of the 6.2? you know what i mean,was it the chicken or the egg. this is reminisce of the mid perch or stock perch origins. Was it because of headlight angle,crash results,iwe issues ect. my vote is for mpg rating i swear i lost 0.5mpg afterwards.Sorry i could not resist but seriously i lost 0.5. no more wedge shape.

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Actually I would argue that statement equals third grade, immature statement.

mudblood your avatar is a osprey right? I agree that calling a engine ***** with 420lbs of twist is silly. One day i hope to drive a small v8 fullsize truck with a twin scroll.
 
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