Why 8,200 lbs tow?

[Old-Raptor-guy]

Some of you need to educate yourselves on how towing specs are produced.
Prior to about 2010 towing specs were purely on the whim of the manufacturer. And if the corporate lawyers signed off on a Ford Ranger towing 100,000 lbs then no one would argue. (Obviously I am being a smart ***, but you get the point I hope).

Around 2010 it was agreed upon that there would be a standardized rating system.

Engine power is only 1/3rd the issue. Trailer control/Suspension is a huge part.

The vehicle is tested towing its max rating and has to do an evasive steering maneuver without the trailer going more than a certain limit past center line. The raptor does not have the Suspension to control an heavy trailer.

The reason the super crew can tow more than the super cab is the same reason. Longer wheel base gives it more control.

What Is SAE J2807? What Does It Really Mean For Your Pickup Truck?

The maximum-claimed towing capacity of most pickup trucks is ********. Those numbers are created by manufacturers and vetted by no one. The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) wants to change that, with a standard test for measuring truck towing capacity called "J2807."

jalopnik.com

 

[Raptor37]

Some of you need to educate yourselves on how towing specs are produced.
Prior to about 2010 towing specs were purely on the whim of the manufacturer. And if the corporate layers signed off on a Ford Ranger towing 100,000 lbs then no one would argue. (Obviously I am being a smart ***, but you get the point I hope).

Around 2010 things it was agreed upon that there would be a standardized rating system.

Engine power is only 1/3rd the issue. Trailer control/Suspension is a huge part.

The vehicle with is tested towing its max rating and has to do an evasive steering maneuver without the trailer going more than a certain limit past center line. The raptor does not have the Suspension to control an heavy trailer.

The reason the super crew can tow more than the super cab is the same reason. Longer wheel base gives it more control.

What Is SAE J2807? What Does It Really Mean For Your Pickup Truck?

The maximum-claimed towing capacity of most pickup trucks is ********. Those numbers are created by manufacturers and vetted by no one. The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) wants to change that, with a standard test for measuring truck towing capacity called "J2807."

jalopnik.com

See, this is why I love this forum! Glad I asked now. Thanks for the education

 

[MDJAK]

I recall a thread where someone said the hitch is not completely frame mounted or something like that because the large spare tire is in the way. Could that have anything to do with it? I remember people attacking the dude like a butcher’s dog to a bone however.

 

[Old-Raptor-guy]

it was late last night and I was tired, using my phone. The link I posted sucks. Here are some better ones to help explain in more detail.

SAE J2807 Tow Tests

Here is some helpful info explaining how SAE J2807 tow tests are performed

fifthwheelst.com

SAE J2807 Tow Tests - The Standard

Maximum trailer tow ratings have been a bit of a mystery over the years. Manufacturers each had their own somewhat secret ways of determining how much weight th

www.motortrend.com

 

[GordoJay]

... tongue weight around 650 lbs which is well below the truck's capabilities.

Um, no. You almost certainly overloaded the rear axle. There's a spec on the door jamb sticker with your load rating. 650 on the tongue puts more than that onto the axle since the lever arm transfers weight from the front to the back.

 

[Hemmy]

I tow my 23ft Airstream as well with my 2013 screw. It's basically stock and I don't have any issues. I use wd hitch. I love using it for towing, if used within its limits. No overheating going uphill, steering always feels "mushy" to me. I only tow at 55mph-65mph on highways. Its a beautiful looking tow setup. The brakes have always sucked so that leaves much to be desired. I fixed that thanks to Alcon.

What WD hitch do you use?

 

[Raptor37]

Um, no. You almost certainly overloaded the rear axle. There's a spec on the door jamb sticker with your load rating. 650 on the tongue puts more than that onto the axle since the lever arm transfers weight from the front to the back.

How so?

Maximum payload is the amount of weight (people, cargo, and/or trailer tongue weight) the truck is rated to safely handle (1,400 for Gen 3).

If you have a 2021 Raptor, and you are towing an 8,200 lbs trailer (with 800 lbs of tongue weight), then you can add up to 600 lbs of weight (people and/or cargo), bringing payload to the allowed 1,400 lbs. All together, truck + trailer + people + cargo cannot exceed the GCWR, which is 14,450 lbs for the Gen 3 Raptor I beleive (based on web search).

 

[xlr8]

Man i love me a towing thread. I've got a 24 ft aluminum open trailer for hauling a car or my 2 UTVs. My Gen 2 pulled it fine with the Deaver +3 HD setup in all situations except for high winds where it swayed too much for my comfort. I did a 5k mile trip in June out west and bought a HD truck for that trip and it was perfect.
My setup is basically 1700 lbs empty and right around 6k loaded up. It's typically frowned upon to use a WD hitch on an aluminum framed trailer since the force could bend the tongue. I really want back into a Raptor and have orders in but I'm going to need to test tow right away. I used my last Raptor to do Raptor things and tow, hoping this next one will work and will add heavier springs or air bags to help.

 

[Donovan]

Yes, that's obviously understood in the name Raptor and everything that comes with that. Thats why I was asking about the 8,200 lbs and not the 15.5k+ that an F250 is rated for on bumper pull...

I was simply trying to see if there was anything else I was missing besides the softer suspension with the change between F150 standard and Raptor.

I thought my hands up in the air. I wont be towing with my Raptor. I hope to buy a F250 SDUTY in the next couple years for those task.

 

[Pokahpolice]

Lol, I haven’t been to this forum in almost a year and it’s great to see nothing has changed. Meat sticks talking about how “people just don’t understand the SUPERTRUCK” anytime it fails at being an actual truck.

Ive owned mine for about 2 years now and it will be sold as soon as I’m not upside down on it. The payload and towing capacity is a real problem that makes this full sized super crew “truck” useless. It fails at more things than it’s good at.

Here come all the nauseating replies …”shoulda bought a F250 blahhhhh.” My personal favorite is the ever so pompous “you bought a specialized vehicle, you don’t understand the purpose” (I just puked on my shoe typing that.) These dbags completely ignore the fact that their wife’s Sudan sitting next to the 20’x7.5’ crew cab has a higher payload. Put the family and a cooler in the truck to go to the beach and you have to leave the dog at the house. This thing is a pavement princess that can’t be used as an actual truck. Want to take it off-road? Better remove the spare tire so you can afford the weight of your gear. That’s practical!! Open the flood gates…