GEN 2 Whipple Stage 1 Kit Feedback Thread!

Feedback on Whipple Tune


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Guy

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I don’t think it’s a fleet problem.

This guy was towing in Arizona. It was HOT from what I gather. I also think he was towing a hefty load up some undefined grade.

My point is that the cooling system is not limitless and it can be overwhelmed.

Throw in the higher output raptor and tune it.

It’s a lot of heat


I must confess a little trepidation in engaging you in a discussion on FRF, as it tends to end up costing me money. Admit it - you probably thought I couldn’t use the word ‘trepidation’ in a sentence...

It is safe to say I know exactly two things about towing and they’re both wrong. What I would offer is we may not have enough information in evidence. You can see the speed, gear, boost and the like in the gauge display from the video, but where was the driver? what altitude? outside temp and humidity? Is the driver’s temp gauge reasonably accurate? Maybe too much anti-freeze, not enough water?

It is quite unusual for Ford to screw up a major system on the F150. It is the best selling vehicle and the sales flagship. They know and at least tacitly acknowledge that consumers understand cargo limits, etc but that in reality if a consumer shows up to tow something, and it’s over the weight limit, they’re not driving home to go rent another truck, they’re going to make it work with the truck they own. Their testing has reflected this in years past.

So how many folks have this issue? I see a lot of contractor vehicle traffic and right after the super duty, the F150 eco is highly represented, hauling all manner of crazy stuff.

So I’m not saying this guy doesn’t have a legit issue, but is it consistent across the model line? It’s like the ubiquitous ‘17+ oil pan leak. It looks like there’s a lot of them but we’re only hearing about the failures, not the trucks that don’t have the leak.

Would water wetter help in a unit that has a defect? maybe. Maybe not.
 

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I bet the Ford engineers are thankful right now, this whole time after engineering a cooling system for our trucks they didn't know how to solve the over heating problem that plagues 1 in a million trucks... By simply adding a bottle of Water Wetter from Pep Boys into the antifreeze mix.

Who would have ever thought a guy named 'Guy' on the FRF forums would have knowledge of this $10 engineering solution?
 

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What’s wrong?


You don’t like that someone showed you something outside of your paradigm?

The cooling system on the truck is built in an adequate fashion. It’s not redundant and overbuilt. It can be overheated if you push it too far.

So if with a tune and some hard WOT runs you can get the truck into the 230s on a spring day.... what do you think it’ll do pushing it very hard in 110 degrees? It’s going to run hot.

Is it going to overheat? I don’t think so.... not unless you’re towing on a grade... however, do you really want your truck to run that hot in those conditions? It’ll pull timing and retard horsepower.

So there has to be a better cooling solution. No... water wetter isn’t an engineering solution. It does improve thermal transfer, however. So for 10 bucks it’s not a bad value.

So what’s the real solution? A whipple style radiator for the coolant system? That’s what I think. I’d buy one if I could find one that was a direct replacement. Their intercooler is beautiful.




QUOTE=kpg81;1237783]I bet the Ford engineers are thankful right now, this whole time after engineering a cooling system for our trucks they didn't know how to solve the over heating problem that plagues 1 in a million trucks... By simply adding a bottle of Water Wetter from Pep Boys into the antifreeze mix.

Who would have ever thought a guy named 'Guy' on the FRF forums would have knowledge of this $10 engineering solution?[/QUOTE]
 

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What’s wrong?


You don’t like that someone showed you something outside of your paradigm?

The cooling system on the truck is built in an adequate fashion. It’s not redundant and overbuilt. It can be overheated if you push it too far.

So if with a tune and some hard WOT runs you can get the truck into the 230s on a spring day.... what do you think it’ll do pushing it very hard in 110 degrees? It’s going to run hot.

Is it going to overheat? I don’t think so.... not unless you’re towing on a grade... however, do you really want your truck to run that hot in those conditions? It’ll pull timing and retard horsepower.

So there has to be a better cooling solution. No... water wetter isn’t an engineering solution. It does improve thermal transfer, however. So for 10 bucks it’s not a bad value.

So what’s the real solution? A whipple style radiator for the coolant system? That’s what I think. I’d buy one if I could find one that was a direct replacement. Their intercooler is beautiful.




QUOTE=kpg81;1237783]I bet the Ford engineers are thankful right now, this whole time after engineering a cooling system for our trucks they didn't know how to solve the over heating problem that plagues 1 in a million trucks... By simply adding a bottle of Water Wetter from Pep Boys into the antifreeze mix.

Who would have ever thought a guy named 'Guy' on the FRF forums would have knowledge of this $10 engineering solution?
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The solution is to use the truck how it's intended, and not use water wetter because it won't do shit
 

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With the after cooler in front of the rad , you are not giving rad a chance.
 
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https://youtu.be/CPmJDdFwMvo



So here is a bloke in a 2017 Regular ecoboost.

He’s towing up a small grade.



He overheats.



He has no tune.



Same cooling capacity as a Raptor.



He should have used the water wetter.



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Now the armchair Einsteins will chime in about how there must be something wrong with how he was driving or how much he towed, or that he has a defective truck.


Probably has a license plate covering the intercooler



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That’s what I like about the Whipple IC It doesn’t block the RAD . O and what’s up with people putting after market lighting and things in front of their RAD?
 

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It’s not intended for high speed desert running?


Oh.... that’s weird.... it’s how it was marketed.


My mistake.






The solution is to use the truck how it's intended, and not use water wetter because it won't do shit[/QUOTE]
 

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You will find that many complaints with the ecoboost over the years (2017 included) are regarding engine overheating. People show readings of 250F and the engine derates to protect (also no boost). Once it gets back under 240, turbos kick back in.
 
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