The Detroit Auto Show - New Raptor Unveiling Thread

[Rockafella]

Cut the muffler off. Problem solved!

I've heard several straight piped ecoboost trucks. They all sounded like shit to be honest. You can hear turbo whistle and the sounds of a 4 cylinder w/o a muffler combined. It reminded me nothing of a boosted performance car w/ open down pipe or anything - much less a performance truck. And that's what the raptor is - an off-road performance truck. No, it's not a trophy truck any more than a Shelby mustang is an NHRA pro-stock car or a corvette a Formula-1 car - but it is an off-road performance vehicle that's deserving of something different under the hood. Ford's known for their trucks and this is supposed to be the truck line's halo vehicle.

Like I've stated before, I like he looks and everything I've heard about the new truck except the engine choice. It's not an absolute deal breaker / because power mods are part of the fun. But i really wanted Ford to make this a slam-dunk.


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It isn't much of a "rumble" so to speak. I'd rather have a V8 sound and less horsepower lol.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XllXvKrxM0

And that appears to be inside. Take it outside and you get this at the 25 second mark.

http://youtu.be/AffwUvl7uvI


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[Raptor911]

Interesting. I read the article and I did not understand it. I just need to know if the 2017 Raptor is still using the IWE, if yes and this new hybrid AWD/4wd will engage (shift on the fly) when I am moving then we will see lots of IWE issues.

Or perhaps this new system will do away with the IWE system all together, which I hope is the case.

This article mentions "In fact, because of the lower weight, we're told the new truck had a tendency to spin tires, so the normal mode, which will call up the front axle just like an all-wheel-drive vehicle, was almost necessary."

So the EB TT must be torquey to spin 35" tires. That's good news.

Was this posted yet?

The new F-150 Raptor has a combo AWD/4WD system

 

[pirate air]

You do realize that I have owned chevy and fords right? Saying someone is a nut-hugger of a brand when one is expressing the truths and shortcomings of each brand at their own right is the pot calling the kettle...

The power-plant of the raptor is a big deal. Just look at the comments all over the World Wide Web. And I fail to see ur point about amazing engineering when we've already stated bmw's affordable 5L was making 500 hp years ago - 500hp n/a was given to Chevy owners a decade ago. Performance guys don't care about hp per liter - we care about power to weight and again - chevy's 7L weighs about the same as fords 5L engines and actually has a lower center of gravity which is s big deal in the handling department.

Saying you want a truck that performs - and then saying you don't care about the power-plant; baffles me. Regardless of the event - more power on tap is better. Learning how to control that power w/in the means of your vehicle is part of the challenge. If your're breaking parts you can blame your left foot - and that's a lot better than getting left behind when you're dashing across a plowed field (hey I'm on the east coast) w/ ur foot to the floor and u just can't keep up.

Bottom line - give me the power, I'll always enjoy trying to harness it and I believe most "enthusiasts" also feel this way. If the Raptor wasn't built for enthusiasts, then I'm not sure who it was built for?? And yeah, I understand the rest of the package - but that's not what people are complaining about; and I understand.


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Oh shit! No I didn't realize you had Chebbys and Fords! Please tell me more!

Of course I'm being pro Ford. This is FORD Raptor Forum, not GM nut gobblers r' us.

All the butt hurt comments over the World Wide Web and the G2 raptor will still sell!!! Give it up!

Still waiting for GM to hit 100hp per liter in a n/a v8. If it was so simple and so un amazing they should of built 1000s of them by now. The fact is they can't!

Oh so now it's about power to weight! Is that why GM resorts to putting ****** little blowers on their mammoth engines just to catch Ford!!

When did I say I didn't care about the power plant?? I said it needed to make decent power and be reliable. Stop putting words in my mouth or learn to read.

When did I say I was breaking parts? I said the 6.2 is good at breaking parts and therefor adding more power will break them easier. It's simple physics.

Most "enthusiasts" spend 6 grand on suspension to make their truck faster before they spend 6 grand on blower! What are they thinking!!!

 

[m3dragon]

And that appears to be inside. Take it outside and you get this at the 25 second mark.

http://youtu.be/AffwUvl7uvI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DsrC57UD8

Related video. Remember it is built "Ford Tough" (sarcastic tone)


Has anyone PMed Crystal the ford media rep on this forum about this thread? She works for Ford Corp. If you want to know if Ford is reading / hearing you, ask her as she might know if Ford gives a ****

 

[matrix243]

Interesting. I read the article and I did not understand it. I just need to know if the 2017 Raptor is still using the IWE, if yes and this new hybrid AWD/4wd will engage (shift on the fly) when I am moving then we will see lots of IWE issues.

Or perhaps this new system will do away with the IWE system all together, which I hope is the case.

This article mentions "In fact, because of the lower weight, we're told the new truck had a tendency to spin tires, so the normal mode, which will call up the front axle just like an all-wheel-drive vehicle, was almost necessary."

So the EB TT must be torquey to spin 35" tires. That's good news.

Yep, has both. Just added safety.

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There must be a way of adding some throatiness to the exhaust with a larger muffler chamber or something. Maybe bigger primary headers. That's must changed my lightning to a big block rumble.

 

[hagak]

Interesting. I read the article and I did not understand it. I just need to know if the 2017 Raptor is still using the IWE, if yes and this new hybrid AWD/4wd will engage (shift on the fly) when I am moving then we will see lots of IWE issues.

Or perhaps this new system will do away with the IWE system all together, which I hope is the case.

This article mentions "In fact, because of the lower weight, we're told the new truck had a tendency to spin tires, so the normal mode, which will call up the front axle just like an all-wheel-drive vehicle, was almost necessary."

So the EB TT must be torquey to spin 35" tires. That's good news.

FORD had what sounded similar system but less complex back in the 2000 explorer. It did not have locking hubs at all. Just a straight shaft, which I suspect will be the case with this new system. The current iwe system would not engage fast enough to work with what they describe. However I guess they could have the iwe there for when you put it in 2h mode but that seems a bit silly and would only be there to meet epa numbers.

 

[Boss Hoss]

I see the butt hurt is strong with this one.

Figure out your history before you attempt to argue with me. The 6.2 was being sold on dealer lots in the superdutys before the raptor even made it out of PR production. The 6.2 wasn't especially built for the Raptor. The SD footed the 6.2 development bill. The Raptor got a tweaked 6.2 that months later was sold in regular f150s, only after the Raptor debuted with the 5.4. Again the truck was never about the engine.

It's not street truck

I never said anything about mpg. In fact, alot the post talking mpg are all the GM nut gobblers saying how much better the fuel economy is in your lswhatever powered pile of shit.

It's still not a street truck

Yep I said liter per hp. 500+hp out of 5.2l. Pretty amazing engineering. The best comeback you come up with is to go to a Honda forum?

The Raptor doesn't need more HP to accomplish what it was designed for. The current stock 6.2 is pretty good at breaking drivetrain parts. Add more power and those parts are broken easier. See how that works?

WOW Pirate has a real bad case of the "butt hurt" lol. I am as mad as anyone about Ford killing the Raptor but jezz at least face it... Sales figures will be a disappointment on the new Raptor. Time will tell..

 

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

I see the butt hurt is strong with this one.

Figure out your history before you attempt to argue with me. The 6.2 was being sold on dealer lots in the superdutys before the raptor even made it out of PR production. The 6.2 wasn't especially built for the Raptor. The SD footed the 6.2 development bill. The Raptor got a tweaked 6.2 that months later was sold in regular f150s, only after the Raptor debuted with the 5.4. Again the truck was never about the engine.

It's not street truck

I never said anything about mpg. In fact, alot the post talking mpg are all the GM nut gobblers saying how much better the fuel economy is in your lswhatever powered pile of shit.

It's still not a street truck

Yep I said liter per hp. 500+hp out of 5.2l. Pretty amazing engineering. The best comeback you come up with is to go to a Honda forum?

The Raptor doesn't need more HP to accomplish what it was designed for. The current stock 6.2 is pretty good at breaking drivetrain parts. Add more power and those parts are broken easier. See how that works?

My 2002 Honda S2000 made 120hp per liter stock. It was NA. Is that BETTER engineering? And I'm not a GM NUT HUGGER ******** either. I don't happen to drink the cool aid of ANY brand. Nor do I believe do most other people who have been posting. Actually everyone has been pretty open about allot of other brands and offerings. It's the will of Ford that is holding them up from bringing us better options. Not the lack of talent or engineering. Ford CEO needs to grow a pair and give the green light to do it. Plain and simple. That's all it will take.

 

[Rockafella]

My 2002 Honda S2000 made 120hp per liter stock. It was NA. Is that BETTER engineering? And I'm not a GM NUT HUGGER ******** either. I don't happen to drink the cool aid of ANY brand. Nor do I believe do most other people who have been posting. Actually everyone has been pretty open about allot of other brands and offerings. It's the will of Ford that is holding them up from bringing us better options. Not the lack of talent or engineering. Ford CEO needs to grow a pair and give the green light to do it. Plain and simple. That's all it will take.

I'm sure ur forum posting credit is perfect but I'd like to cosign this post... Couldn't possibly agree more.


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[Jimbo]