TFL: Gen 3 + GT500 V8 is confirmed

[BroncoAZ]

I don't understand why you are so adamant that there only be a V6 in the Raptor. Again, all I am asking is to have an option. Nothing more.

There is a significant amount of engineering that goes into each different configuration, they can’t just build a basic truck and throw any engine off the shelf into it for production without significant engineering cost. Each configuration needs to be tested, have specs written, and everything figured out. Those costs make sense on a huge seller like the standard F-150. With a “limited” production vehicle like the Raptor they are not going to spend the money for all the testing and engineering for more than one engine. I’m actually surprised the Scab has survived as long as it has with the low take rate. With the Ecoboost platform being Ford’s big thing going back almost 10 years now it makes sense that their top models would utilize it. I’m actually surprised the Mustang doesn’t have a V6 Ecoboost in a GT trim.

I believe that Ford can compete with the TRX with a V6. They may not win the HP war, but as others a have pointed out the lighter Raptor with a better 10 speed trans should prove to be the better performing truck on dirt.

 

[Kaz109]

You really should proof read your message before posting. Would make it easier to read.

Let's say you are 100% correct in everything you said and I agree with it all (I don't) and I am totally wrong on everything I have said. But is there some unwritten law that I don't know about that says your top of the line trim level can only have one engine option?

I know this is way before your time and since you think I am so old but I remember when Chrysler sold the top of the line Plymouth Superbirds and Dodge Daytonas. Those were the top trip levels and you could get a Hemi or a 440. I think they even offered a 440 "six pack". That's an engine with the 3 two barrel carbs in case you have never heard of that phrase.

All I am asking is why can't Ford offer 2 engine options on the Raptor. A V6 and a V8. If you love the V6 then buy one. If I want a V8 I should be able to order one.

I don't understand why you are so adamant that there only be a V6 in the Raptor. Again, all I am asking is to have an option. Nothing more.

You didn't reply to anything that I said , further more you didn't read what I said . Because if you did you would notice that I never said there should only be a V6 in the raptor

I simply stated and top trim models there is multi options for motor selection.

Try actually reading before you respond. I will ask you the same question.......

do you have the option to choose what engine you want in the GT500? Its a simple question

Do you have the option to choose what engine you want in a GT350?

Do you have the option to choose what engine you want in a ZR1?

The answer is no, you have to change what trim level mustang and vette you want .

Same goes for the F150 raptor , in the first and second gen there was only one engine option that came with the Raptor trim level same well go with a gen 3 ( I'm assuming ) whether it is a power boost motor or a predator motor

 

[isis]

 

[richnot]

WOW!! There is a lot going on here. Different trim levels of the same vehicle. I have been into Jeeps forever and if there is one company that does offer different engines different models of the Wrangler. Their top of the line was a Rubicon, you could get it with a standard 3.6 V-6 or with 3.6 V-6 eTorque or a 2.0 I-4 turbo.

Now for 2020-21 they offer a Rubicon with a 3.6 V-6, 3.6 eTorque 2.0 I-4 turbo ESS or 2.0 I-4 eTorque or 3.0 EcoDiesel Tutbo and Pretty soon you can get a 4XE 2.0 I-4 Mild Hibrid with the highest rated horsepower of them all 375 and 470 lb-ft of torque, and that is a little more torque then Concept 392 Hemi they plan to make.

There you have one trim level with several engine options and other trim levels have engine options too. The interesting thing is that a 6 speed manual is available on one model only and it`s at no cost.
Every other model you have to pay for an automatic transmission even though there is not an option for a manual and there are 2 automatic transmissions available for the cost of $1,500 for the $4,500. Diesel option BUT the trans for every other engine is $2,000. so you are forced to pay for a transmission unless you want the one model with a 6sp manual. Shouldn`t a transmission be part of a standard option? Well played Jeep

They do offer a version of a Pano roof for a mere $3995.00 You can spend over $65,000. and pick and choose and still not have power seats. Steel bumpers $$1,695. and the most unbelievable is the $1,295 for LED lights, I can tell you the standard headlights are like two D-cell flashlights.

Steel bumpers $$1,695. and the most unbelievable is the $1,295 for LED lights, I can tell you the standard headlights are like two D-cell flashlights.

You can spend over $65,000. and pick and choose and still not have power seats. Each Jeep has a specific coil spring for each corner based upon 2dr, 4dr and what options you get.Last I heard there were 36 different ones. They make the modifications they need to adapt each motor to basically the same frame exception for the 2 dr, 4dr and Gladiator pick up.

My belief is that this is possible because the cost to build a Jeep is so low and so is the quality of the parts used and there is no one "special" for a trim level. I look at my Raptor and look at the Rubicon which was over $52k and I`m glad it had so many problems at 2000 miles they had to buy it back and I was able to get my Raptor at a great price because of it.

I can`t think of any other manufacture that has engine options like this, it was not always this way, it used to be this is what it is take it or leave it

 

[richnot]

Did you guys know that the TRX can not use the name HellCat for the engine? if you look at it there is a SRT badge on it. From the little bit I had seen on TV it was because the name is trademarked or something like that to be only with the Challenger and Charger

 

[isis]

I would’ve guessed it’s because a hellcat is a halo version of another line, and TRX is a standalone model. But that’s splitting hairs I guess. The grand Cherokee is the trackhawk. So your explanation makes sense.

 

[Donovan]

That crap happen yet? I want to make sure I’m the first to get the scoop on it.

fk yeh.

and I'm happy with whatever ford releases.

 

[Donmatteo]

W

What makes you want the KERS? I have seen you post it a few times, but the KERS is really only meant as a boost. This would be great on a small displacement, NA ICE. Many years ago, I played with this technology from a UK company, and that was all it was good for - short bursts of energy. It is not meant as a range extender, or power source. Although, it does pack a quick power surge which also takes tech to manage in order to use efficiently.

Range extension isn't the goal for a performance vehicle. Power is. it would be nice to have on demand boost as a supplement power rather than being an ecomentalist.

 

[melvimbe]

There is a significant amount of engineering that goes into each different configuration, they can’t just build a basic truck and throw any engine off the shelf into it for production without significant engineering cost. Each configuration needs to be tested, have specs written, and everything figured out. Those costs make sense on a huge seller like the standard F-150. With a “limited” production vehicle like the Raptor they are not going to spend the money for all the testing and engineering for more than one engine. I’m actually surprised the Scab has survived as long as it has with the low take rate. With the Ecoboost platform being Ford’s big thing going back almost 10 years now it makes sense that their top models would utilize it. I’m actually surprised the Mustang doesn’t have a V6 Ecoboost in a GT trim.

I believe that Ford can compete with the TRX with a V6. They may not win the HP war, but as others a have pointed out the lighter Raptor with a better 10 speed trans should prove to be the better performing truck on dirt.

I agree with this for the most part. I am not 100% certain that a V8 Raptor option can't be profitable, but seems unlikely to me. There is also the factor that V8 Raptor customers could likely buy the V6 Raptor if there was no V8 Raptor. Not all of them will switch to the TRX if the can't get a V8 Raptor.

If Ford does provide an option though, I don't think the decision is going to be about selling Raptors though, but about overall sales of the brands. Many people are buying regular F150s because Ford has the consensus best truck available, and that gives the feeling that you're buying the best brand. Ford could be concerned that potential customers are going to switch to a regular Ram instead of F150 if they feel like Ram makes the most powerful trucks. In other words, if an V8 option happens, it's not going to be about selling V8 Raptors, and Ford may even be ok with a loss on the vehicle, as long as it helps sell F150s in general.

In contrast, GM, Toyota, Nissan are getting a lot less press, with likely fewer people visit dealerships because of all that Ram and Ford are doing.