TFL: Gen 3 + GT500 V8 is confirmed

[combatninja]

The real problem for Ford here is not raiding the corporate parts bin for the requisite powerplant (they have that covered with the Mustang's Predator V8) but rather how to get it on the dealer's forecourt for a competitive price. Pretty well loaded Raptor super crews go for $75,000 as it is. You fold this engine into the mix along with some cooling upgrades to keep it all together in an off-road duty cycle, possibly a larger wheel and tire package because I imagine it is going to need more brakes and so on and you are at what price point? Can they get close to that $71K mark that the TRX hit? I doubt it. The price gouging that Ford has done with the Gen2 Raptor now has them backed into a corner. Even if they offer the Raptor in two flavors, who is going to pay $75,000 for a boosted V6 with hybrid assist (yeah, like that is going to be reliable) when the TRX is sitting there for the same price? The way FCA rolls, they are going to churn those things out like crazy and they will have $5000 incentives on them in a year. This almost suggests that Ford might be forced into a rethink of Raptor pricing. These specialty pickups probably rank as the #1 money grab in the industry. GM offers a mid-engined sports car built on a dedicated platform that can compete with Porsches for $59,995 for God's sake. And Ford needs to charge the same amount for a tarted up truck based on a platform that is sold by the millions and had the tooling paid off 5 years ago.

 

[K223]

Between weight and rear end gears I think the Raptor would stomp it. Not sure why RAM went 3.55's. Especially with a slightly larger tire.

That surprised me too and being the truck is heavy. I’m not sure if the tranny gear ratios on there 8 Spd either. But it may come down to reasons. That larger more powerful engine can probably make do with 3.55 cogs. And the truck is going to drink fuel as it is like no tomorrow. 3.73’s or 4.10’s would certainly make that a lot worse.

 

[K223]

Im content with 450, however the mentality of the general public would see it as a failure if it didn’t have the same HP as the TRX, because no one understands how weight and power work together.

I’m thinking it will be a slightly mellowed HP/TQ rating from the Ford GT. With that, Ford can say “Look how much faster we are with less HP, we have a further range, we can run on 87 octane all day, etc” There’s more to be said with that than going full hillbilly and just putting in the highest HP engine you make just so it looks good on paper to the general public.

That would give Ford a win, and then on the back end, day we did it with less HP, minus 2 cylinders, better mileage, etc etc.

That’s true going full Hillbilly would be easier to make a less advanced and all around better product. That was the ways of old school. Not that I have a problem with it at times. But out engineering your competition will speak volumes for a long time. There will always be old school that want that big old fashioned HP and loud sound.

 

[kenb]

Why doesn't Ford just offer different engine options? I am old enough (67) to remember when cars and trucks had many different engine sizes to choose from. The 69 Camaro had engines from a 6 all the way up to a 427. Why can't Ford just let the customer decide what he wants and not just say this is the engine and you are stuck with it. If you want to order a V6 then order it. Want a V8 then get one. Does that make too much sense?

I have owned 2 Raptors in the past. One was a 2012. One was a 2018. Liked both and both had pluses and minuses. I currently drive a 2019 Dodge Challenger Hellcat Redeye that I love. I think the quality on all three are equal. I think Dodge has shown they can build good vehicles. I am hoping that with the TRX it make Ford step up it's game. I would love to buy another Raptor but only with the engine I want. And it has to be a Scab.

 

[isis]

That crap happen yet? I want to make sure I’m the first to get the scoop on it.

Username checks out

this thread is gonna get amazing.

 

[Kaz109]

Why doesn't Ford just offer different engine options? I am old enough (67) to remember when cars and trucks had many different engine sizes to choose from. The 69 Camaro had engines from a 6 all the way up to a 427. Why can't Ford just let the customer decide what he wants and not just say this is the engine and you are stuck with it. If you want to order a V6 then order it. Want a V8 then get one. Does that make too much sense?

I have owned 2 Raptors in the past. One was a 2012. One was a 2018. Liked both and both had pluses and minuses. I currently drive a 2019 Dodge Challenger Hellcat Redeye that I love. I think the quality on all three are equal. I think Dodge has shown they can build good vehicles. I am hoping that with the TRX it make Ford step up it's game. I would love to buy another Raptor but only with the engine I want. And it has to be a Scab.

And all that you missed the point where those weren't Halo vehicles, typically brands do not make multiple engine choices for Halo Vehicles you being 67 should realize that by now.

How many engine options are there for a ZO6?
How many engines options are there for 911 Turbo?

How about a gt500 or gt350?
How about a ZL1 camaro ?

So your rant about being old enough to remember cars having different engine options isn't relevant to the conversation because by your own statement the F150 does have many different options ranging from V6 all the way to a SC V8

 

[K223]

And all that you missed the point where those weren't Halo vehicles, typically brands do not make multiple engine choices for Halo Vehicles you being 67 should realize that by now.

How many engine options are there for a ZO6?
How many engines options are there for 911 Turbo?

How about a gt500 or gt350?
How about a ZL1 camaro ?

So your rant about being old enough to remember cars having different engine options isn't relevant to the conversation because by your own statement the F150 does have many different options ranging from V6 all the way to a SC V8

Very true! FCA had a halo vehicle, the Viper, but now it’s gone. It had one motor option. I guess they are doing good enough with Challengers and Chargers and how they morph and change the bodies and slightly different versions of the 6.2 SC motor etc. But that Halo vehicle is just that and no motor options.

 

[Kaz109]

Very true! FCA had a halo vehicle, the Viper, but now it’s gone. It had one motor option. I guess they are doing good enough with Challengers and Chargers and how they morph and change the bodies and slightly different versions of the 6.2 SC motor etc. But that Halo vehicle is just that and no motor options.

The point still stays the same though..... even with them tweaking the motors in the Hellcat red eye and Demon there is still only one motor option for each one.

NSX, Huracan, 570s, 458 ,488, ........ the list can go on forever because it's consistent. People wishing that the Raptor would have different motor options based on what customers want either doesn't realize that the Raptor is the Halo truck or don't realize how the automotive industry has operated over the last 50 years.

@kenb is always the one to comment how long he's been around and what he knows but yet doesn't even see the basic formula that has been in the automotive industry for decades

 

[kenb]

I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. You seem to know more about everything than I do so I won't argue. Even though you joined this forum a grand total of 5 months ago and I joined 9 years ago. I am sure you are much smarter than me so I won't point out all the flaws in your logic.

BTW I was not posting a "rant", I was just asking why wouldn't Ford build a truck the way customers wanted. It just seems every time I post something you take the opposite view. Good luck and goodbye.

 

[Kaz109]

I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. You seem to know more about everything than I do so I won't argue. Even though you joined this forum a grand total of 5 months ago and I joined 9 years ago. I am sure you are much smarter than me so I won't point out all the flaws in your logic.

BTW I was not posting a "rant", I was just asking why wouldn't Ford build a truck the way customers wanted. It just seems every time I post something you take the opposite view. Good luck and goodbye.

Ahhhhhh when all else fails you resort to my time on " this" forum lol....its funny because the last time you told me to not to take it easy on you because of your age. You said you own all the muscle cars from vettes to your redeye and when I pointed out that vettes are not muscle cars but rather sports cars you got quiet......

Now when I point out your flawed misconception of how you viewed the " good old days , back when etc etc " logic you don't have anything to say......I get it , you don't have a rebuttal to your perception vs the reality.


Please feel free to prove me wrong on my original post quoting you.....and this is a debate among car enthusiasts not an argument. Debate your position as I did mine .....