Springs and bumpstops

[Huck]

I just want to clarify my post had the intent to bust Jarretts balls for the nationals. Wasn't meant to call anyone out.

I feel like a set of springs should last longer than 8k miles. Especially when 7800 of those miles are highway driving. I know illinois roads suck, but not that bad.

i just want a solution that are not going to fail prematurely, or sack out. 20-30k miles, yeah i expect some sag, but not 8k, if i even have that many on them, i have to check my log book.

I also agree with RW, I'm not going to go off just someones word who sells the product. I want some real history to the quality of the brand from users. Words are great, but they need to be backed by fact, and the customer service that any sold product is expected to have. Doesn't matter if its start up raptor companies, or well established companies. We all expect a certain level of reasonable customer service and for them to stand behind their product

 

[pirate air]

madcowranch,
sorry jarrett is not online but what i can tell you is that deaver springs have been on my personal trucks for many many years.Pulling Race Trailers, Pulling 30' boats, Pulling Horse trailers with living space. I never had an issues with sack out or sag...I have a Call into Scott @ Deaver and will get you a response here shortly.

Marc,
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I had measurements of the same also....One thing that i did notice when its parked is if the truck was backed in or pulled in forward. We know that when the truck is in reverse, suspension squats down under load which would change the ride heights. Same thing after on a rack or alignment. Suspension settles after time.

marc
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Makes sense about being backed in. I'm ok with the fact it will settle some. I don't know if there's a spring out there that doesn't settle over time. But to "settle" that much in that short of time?? I also understand my sd gen ones sat lower than the factory and that's how I knowingly bought them. In hindsight, going to a lower riding spring was a big mistake performance wise but I'll chalk it up to a learning curve in the early evolution of raptor performance parts. My biggest issue with my springs is not so much that they pancaked, but the way RPG has handled me as a customer. But that's neither here nor there or svc's concern.

 

[Madcowranch]

Yeah I have about 10K on mine.

*miles

 

[Huck]

Makes sense about being backed in. I'm ok with the fact it will settle some. I don't know if there's a spring out there that doesn't settle over time. But to "settle" that much in that short of time?? I also understand my sd gen ones sat lower than the factory and that's how I knowingly bought them. In hindsight, going to a lower riding spring was a big mistake performance wise but I'll chalk it up to a learning curve in the early evolution of raptor performance parts. My biggest issue with my springs is not so much that they pancaked, but the way RPG has handled me as a customer. But that's neither here nor there or scv's concern.

ditto almost. Except i had the 2nd gen SD's, (+2's) after the SDBR they were toast, had less than 10k miles on them. Literally the drive out, there and back and they were dead to the point the wrap was coming undone and the mounts. Was handled the same way, upgraded to HD's got them on in october, and now in the same boat.

 

[svc]

Raptor Wifey, No Offense taken, The best part about open discussions is the fact that i can have my opinion and you can have yours. I don't know why you would roll your eyes at my springs on my personal trucks post. but then again i don't know much..

What springs do you have? What setup do you run? What have you noticed about your springs? What Payload and towing have you noticed on your Raptor with aftermarket springs ? Did you notice Stock springs worked better ?

again seeing my first posts i am getting I just want to "share" my thoughts with anyone that wants to listen.

Call me if you want to hear my voice. I would love to discuss more in detail

marc

Marc, no offense, but this sounds like the same old BS we all heard about nationals a year ago. The more you talk, the more I've rolled my eyes. Once we sac out again, and I've got the feeling we will, we'll be seeking other options, not the just because you said so brand.

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agree 100%
I have a call into Deaver Now and i hope to have a response soon.

Doesn't Ever Vendor on here sell Deavers? maybe someone else with more knowledge and longevity can help....

marc

I just want to clarify my post had the intent to bust Jarretts balls for the nationals. Wasn't meant to call anyone out.

I feel like a set of springs should last longer than 8k miles. Especially when 7800 of those miles are highway driving. I know illinois roads suck, but not that bad.

i just want a solution that are not going to fail prematurely, or sack out. 20-30k miles, yeah i expect some sag, but not 8k, if i even have that many on them, i have to check my log book.

I also agree with RW, I'm not going to go off just someones word who sells the product. I want some real history to the quality of the brand from users. Words are great, but they need to be backed by fact, and the customer service that any sold product is expected to have. Doesn't matter if its start up raptor companies, or well established companies. We all expect a certain level of reasonable customer service and for them to stand behind their product

 

[pirate air]

i just want to clarify my post had the intent to bust jarretts balls for the nationals. Wasn't meant to call anyone out.

I feel like a set of springs should last longer than 8k miles. Especially when 7800 of those miles are highway driving. I know illinois roads suck, but not that bad.

I just want a solution that are not going to fail prematurely, or sack out. 20-30k miles, yeah i expect some sag, but not 8k, if i even have that many on them, i have to check my log book.

i also agree with rw, i'm not going to go off just someones word who sells the product. I want some real history to the quality of the brand from users. Words are great, but they need to be backed by fact, and the customer service that any sold product is expected to have. Doesn't matter if its start up raptor companies, or well established companies. We all expect a certain level of reasonable customer service and for them to stand behind their product

100% agree. We pay a premium for these parts too. Some of these vendors expect us to buy it based on word of mouth all the while boning us hard in the ass with raptor tax, then **** us agian when it comes to customer service. ****** in the begining and then ****** in the end.

 

[RaptorWifey]

My springs = Yukon Joes springs

Jarrett knows the details. We were early adapters, sd springs and all that jazz... We sacked out and were one of the first replaced with next gen sd's. But we were looking to get a bed rack, and decided to go +3hd. After 27k miles, we are where Joe stated, not horrible, but for +3 over HDs to now be only +1 over the newly installed SDs?? Like others have mentioned, should we all be expecting re-arching?

I'm rolling my eyes at the same salesman bs we were all fed on the nationals being regeritated now on the deavers.... Which were not even a player in the game a year ago??

 

[Huck]

ill get measurement of my +3 HD's tomorrow and report back, also with an accurate mileage report.

 

[svc]

Mad,
Great question and i am getting you a answer ASAP. I was in the same boat as you 100%. I saw a solution to a problem and fixed it.

I know deaver has 2 Raptor Springs available

Stock Height and 1+ over for heaver payload options.

I know that Deaver will custom make springs for any application..

Deaver makes private label and most of the springs for majority of the "aftermarket" Big Truck lift companies and i am sure they have plenty more applications i am not aware of.

The problem with Ride stiffness also goes along with shocks and stock vs Not stock shocks. Shocks Play a HUGH roll into Spring Control and ride quality.

anytime we change something from the manuf its usually not going to "ride" like its off the showroom floor anymore.

Hope to have some more detailed answers for you soon....

doing the best i can with what i know.

Thanks for the reply Marc. So would you consider spring re-arching every couple years normal maintenance for these aftermarket progressive springs?

What differentiates the Deavers? Do they come in SD and HD like the Nationals? If they are less prone to sagging are there any tradeoffs like a stiffer ride than a comparable National?

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Got ya...I didn't know there was a connection. sorry.

Well i totally get the salesman BS. Not my bag at all.

I honestly just came here to share my thoughts about deavers vs nationals. I had both also and prefer one over the other mostly based on CS and experience.

good news is i will help you if you want to try an alternative.

Heck i will loan you a set of NEW Deavers and you tell me how they work.

If you like them, awesome. if you don't then at least we tried to fix the problem.

PM me your address and ill get you set up.

Marc


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My springs = Yukon Joes springs

Jarrett knows the details. We were early adapters, sd springs and all that jazz... We sacked out and were one of the first replaced with next gen sd's. But we were looking to get a bed rack, and decided to go +3hd. After 27k miles, we are where Joe stated, not horrible, but for +3 over HDs to now be only +1 over the newly installed SDs?? Like others have mentioned, should we all be expecting re-arching?

I'm rolling my eyes at the same salesman bs we were all fed on the nationals being regeritated now on the deavers.... Which were not even a player in the game a year ago??

 

[Yukon Joe]

PA - why didn't you get your first gen nationals replaced when Jarrett offered it up over a year ago?

Yukon Joe
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