So Don't Get me Wrong, I love my Raptor, But....

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MDJAK

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You guys know what a self-deprecating person is, I take it. One who readily makes fun of one's self, puts one's self down, has a modicum of self esteem but not an enormous amount?

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I've been accused in the past of "name dropping" by saying I own a Porsche. So what. Hundreds of thousands if not millions do. Only reason I mention that is, have you ever looked behind the scenes at how one is made? By the assembly line workers who are dressed in crisp, pressed, clean uniforms, with different colors signifying what station on the line they are responsible for? Have you ever taken the wheel off a Porsche or seen one removed and looked at the beauty of the suspension components? I only have experience with recent vintage models.

And yes, I know they produced engines that needed to be replaced, etc. I get it. Nothing is perfect.

My son a few months back borrowed my then brand new '19 Raptor to go winter camping/hiking in Nova Scotia. Put 2k miles on it. Great. Glad he's a kid I can trust to lend vehicles, etc. to.

When he gets home to his house in NJ, he accidentally mounts a curb, hits a concrete bollard and damages one running board.

Dealer price for board: $1600. Holy crap.

I find a pair on Ebay for $399 with brackets and they arrived the other day in perfect shape. I get underneath the truck, see four bolts that go up into the board and easily remove them.

Then I need to remove the front bracket as it was bent. That's where the fun and games begin and the poor quality of certain parts come to the fore.

The brackets have 4 holes in them. Well, there's only 3 bolts poking out from the side of the chassis.

I remove two of the nuts easily. The third nut is spinning and spinning.

Turns out, there's a reason when you order the boards from the dealer, or via Ebay, they don't come with the bolts. They are welded in place, with round heads, and barely any room to grab that rounded head should you need to.

Ah, but they are welded. Why would you need to? Because in the case of this bolt, the weld was no more and it was spinning. It took close to 20 minutes to hold the round head with a very small vice grip to finally get the bolt off.

Initially I had to hold the bolt on the threaded end to move the nut. That damaged the threads.

Long story short, why wouldn't they at least put bolts with heads on them in case of this? Without cutting the bolt off, you cannot get it out to replace it and there is no room to replace it.

I get it, first world problems. But now I have a loose bolt that I cannot rethread the nut on as it's impossible to hold the round portion tight enough to do so.
 

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First off, I'd be frustrated too. That sounds incredibly annoying and I'd likely be introducing those within earshot of my garage to a few uniquely strung together curse phrases.

That being said, comparing a Ford pickup truck to a Porsche is a little disingenuous. One is, imo, a top-tier luxury sports car. The other is, well, a pickup truck. Yes, it's Ford's halo truck, and certainly a cut above all other F150s. But it's built on the same line, by the same workers, with many of the same parts that are used for their work-class XL trim.

Hell, even a fully loaded XLT will cost you $50k, so the extra $20k that goes into a Raptor isn't going to get you Porsche-level quality. My point being, while it seems like a less than ideal amount of thought went into fastening the running board, sometimes being reminded that it's an off the line pickup truck is necessary.

Glad to hear you were able to find cheaper than stealership parts though. And hopefully the running board is secure, and the last bolt wasn't all that necessary.
 

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go to an auto fastener store (do they still exist?) I had to source a bunch of body parts for an old GM car once and got this suggestion from someone more knowledgeable than me. Identify bolts of similar or equal length, diameter and thread pitch with a non round head of your choosing and fix the boo boo.
 

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The biggest ************* I ever owned was a 2005 Audi. VW owns Audi and is also a major shareholder in Porsche. All *** cars share many, many parts, so Porsche is not immune from quality problems. Corner-cutting affects all manufacturers.
 

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I'm guessing there's no chance of getting a spot weld or two back onto the domed bolt? Maybe some industrial epoxy?

Sorry but I don’t see how this is about build quality. Your son crashed the truck and bent the bracket and broke the weld holding the bolt? I understand it can be frustrating but I don’t see the connection to build quality...
I thought it was more about engineering than build quality. Putting a headless bolt into a small area to where it cannot be removed ever again isn't very bright. What if the owner wants to remove or replace them? I know the answer is to leave them there and they won't rattle if the weld isn't broken due to collision.

But it is definitely worth a curse at an engineer or twenty.
 

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Pretty unacceptable for an $80k truck though

I don't get people's obsession with this "$80k truck" mindset. Would you expect Bently fit and finish in a $250k school bus simply because it cost $250k??? It is a school bus, not a Bently. Same goes for the Raptor. It is an off-road pickup truck, not a luxury cruiser. If you want fit and finish, spend $150k on a G-wagon. If you want basic bulletproof reliability, buy a Tundra. If you want uncompromised off-road capability, buy a Raptor.
 
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