Sadly I'm not really feeling the Ford love anymore.

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As far as bashing Ford. I consider the dealer a direct extention of Ford Motor Company. The service tech, the dealership and the manufacturer are all the same to me.

This is the perception of 99.9% of the world. Whether it's true or not is moot. And it's an area where Ford could really make improvements. If they spent 1% of their R&D budget fixing this problem, it would pay huge dividends. Huge. If my dealer wasn't a lying incompetent POS, I'd love Ford. I'd even lie and say that I'm in for a Raptor R. ;)
 

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As far as bashing Ford. I consider the dealer a direct extention of Ford Motor Company. The service tech, the dealership and the manufacturer are all the same to me.
Those that are allowed to fly the flag are responsible for upholding the image. I understand @FordTechOne ‘s point but it’s still Ford’s responsibility to protect their brand.
 
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Here is the list of some of the text to the service advisor.

I give up trying to post them in order. ....

They were not that important... just lie after lie.

Nothing surprising.
 
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As far as bashing Ford. I consider the dealer a direct extention of Ford Motor Company. The service tech, the dealership and the manufacturer are all the same to me.

You can consider it as you wish, but the law says otherwise. Thanks to politicians and lobbyists, a clear distinction has been established between manufacturers and dealers. Dealers are not even franchises; they are simply "independently owned and operated businesses" that sign a Sales & Service agreement. Which means they sell the vehicles and they are responsible for servicing them. The customer experience of some of these dealers is inexcusable, but thanks to legislation signed into law by cronies it's often difficult for the manufacturer to intervene.
 

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You can consider it as you wish, but the law says otherwise. Thanks to politicians and lobbyists, a clear distinction has been established between manufacturers and dealers. Dealers are not even franchises; they are simply "independently owned and operated businesses" that sign a Sales & Service agreement. Which means they sell the vehicles and they are responsible for servicing them. The customer experience of some of these dealers is inexcusable, but thanks to legislation signed into law by cronies it's often difficult for the manufacturer to intervene.
Ford has the ability to correct this stuff if they want to. Harshly if necessary and you know that.
 
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I didnt mean to be hateful to anyone in particular. It's just difficult to get the point across without being a bit of a butthead..... I am just frustrated and want my truck.
 
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Ford has the ability to correct this stuff if they want to. Harshly if necessary and you know that.

I wish; they don't. I've read through the S&S agreement too many times. All they can do instruct the dealer on what the replace and approve it at the corporate level. It's still up the the dealer to perform the work correctly. The dealership "franchise" agreement is a joke; they get away with what they want to based on the laws. Corporate can close them down, but it requires a huge business case and a lot of legal expense.
 

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I just got done reading through this thread. OP, what a shit show! I feel bad for you, hopefully somehow this ordeal gets better for you soon. Sounds like the dealer has really done a horrible job of handling this from the beginning.
 

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@FordTechOne please correct me on this as needed. I have a good friend who last year retired from a very, very large Ford stealership in Northern Virginia. He was a master tech and If I recall correctly theirs was the largest service department in the metro DC area. They had shifts so they were open later in the evening.

He lamented to me a tale of an Exploder that wouldn’t start. I think a mid to late teens model, but still under warranty. He couldn’t for the life of him find an issue, asked to talk to the owner. S/A did but just took verbal notes. He never got to speak to the owner directly, wanted to know what happened prior to the non start.
truck had voltage, no DTC, modules passed, no obvious reason not to start. he’s getting into checking the vehicle network - but, he’s out of allowed time for the repair.

Ford reimburses a specific amount, after that, the stealership is on the hook and they won’t auth. further research. After a few days, he convinces the service manager to conf call the owner. It turns out, the owner bumped a parking lot pole, pulled forward, parked and it wouldn’t start after that. My buddy says “I know what it is”. he pulls the bumper assembly, harness has several wires pinched. New harness.

The thing is... this is not a warranty repair, it’s a collision. The stealership did end up covering under ‘customer goodwill’ - they’re not all bad. But, he told me that was not uncommon. Once a repair exhausts the reimbursement time / cost, the stealership says “move on”.

I don’t know if this is common practice, universal, or rare.

I’d bet that the stealership here has to “eat” the cost of future repairs and doesn’t want to.
 
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