Report: 2016 Raptor to use an EcoBoost V8

[Huck]

yes any day, my biggest disappointment with the raptor is the 6.2

 

[Dv8tor]

What's a kilometer?

 

[ZBoater]

yes any day, my biggest disappointment with the raptor is the 6.2

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What's a kilometer?

It's like a yardstick, but a little longer, and like a thousand of them...

 

[bakkbakk]

What's a kilometer?

Its Canadian for ******** counting

 

[PropDr]

Look at MB's F1 turbo charger!
Separating the hot and cold side of the turbo with an electric motor in between to reduce turbo lag...

 

[Cleave]

I didn't know that, and would tend to challenge that statement. However, we are talking about production engines, not one-off engineering marvels that make it into Ken Block's cars and only last 1000 miles.

I was talking about the ford rs200 evolutions, not ken block's gymkhana fiesta, built back in the mid 80s for the European market, 2.1L single turbo 4 cylinders that made between 550 and 650 horsepower, some say a few made up to 800, they were awd group b rally cars with a license plate

 

[Cleave]

Turbos run on every diesel on the road. They run 500k+ miles. It's old technology but it works


A European turbo 4 is designed much different than an American v8. They are mostly internally balanced no need for harmonic balances and rev much higher.

I had 120k miles on an 06 gti with never a motor issue. It was chipped put out 30 psi and 300 hp and 325 tq. Still got 34 mpg.


I'm all for turbos and you don't hear the constant whine of an sc

As for aluminum fords been using aluminum hoods for years. My 01 ranger had aluminum hood and an aluminum tailgate.

Aluminum can be worked like steel just not as many times. It just changes the repair process. Look at vettees, they don't repair panels, they replace them because they are fiberglass.

People are just against change and progress.

Id take a turbo 6 over this antiquated 6.2 any day




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So you really think turbos are the only thing that can make an engine powerful and fuel efficient? Explain to me why we have 400+ horsepower n/a v-8s that get 26 mpg now when the last time we had 400+ horsepower n/a v-8s they got 10 mpg or less

I'm not against progress and change, I'm against giving up on progress and change in favor of the easy route, why should we give up big blocks for turbo 6 cylinders? Because manufacturer's can be lazy and just get power from a fuel sipper by slapping a turbo on it? A big v-8 is just as capable of getting good fuel mileage as a little v-6 if we perfected the n/a engine for efficiency, raptors are already capable of 16+ mpg on the freeway from the factory, and like you said the 6.2 is the most antiquated of all of Ford's engines, if they were as up to date as the 5.0L or 5.8L they could be capable of 20+ mpg in raptor trim

Turbos don't equal fuel efficiency, they equal squeezing power out of a small engine, efficiency of the engine to utilize every drop of gasoline put into the engine at it's absolute maximum equals fuel efficiency, and you get more power out of the equation that way too

 

[sabumaru]

What's a kilometer?

Get a better educational system and you would know...
Srry couldn't resist...

And a **** sounds bigger when its 22 centimeters instead of 9 inches

Or driving 320kmh instead of 200mph


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Its Canadian for ******** counting

I'm dutch / Europeaan

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So you really think turbos are the only thing that can make an engine powerful and fuel efficient? Explain to me why we have 400+ horsepower n/a v-8s that get 26 mpg now when the last time we had 400+ horsepower n/a v-8s they got 10 mpg or less

I'm not against progress and change, I'm against giving up on progress and change in favor of the easy route, why should we give up big blocks for turbo 6 cylinders? Because manufacturer's can be lazy and just get power from a fuel sipper by slapping a turbo on it? A big v-8 is just as capable of getting good fuel mileage as a little v-6 if we perfected the n/a engine for efficiency, raptors are already capable of 16+ mpg on the freeway from the factory, and like you said the 6.2 is the most antiquated of all of Ford's engines, if they were as up to date as the 5.0L or 5.8L they could be capable of 20+ mpg in raptor trim

Turbos don't equal fuel efficiency, they equal squeezing power out of a small engine, efficiency of the engine to utilize every drop of gasoline put into the engine at it's absolute maximum equals fuel efficiency, and you get more power out of the equation that way too

Its not 500 horses and 30mpg
Its or or..as the new tech just shutof cilinders

With turbos they tent to be high mpg when turbo is not spooling as fast and then when boost comes it starts to drink

Or they use variable geometrie turbos and increase/decrease boost depending or "requested" power


I still would like the V8 5.0L twin turbo
Just because a v8 sounds better

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[Cleave]

Turbos reduce the fuel efficiency of an engine whether they're spooling or not, the restriction of the compressor side of the turbo disrupts air flow and causes the fuel to burn less efficiently, reducing gas mileage, and obviously you're going to be burning a lot more fuel when the turbo is spooled, look at the 3.7L n/a v-6 vs. the 3.5L ecoboost, the ecoboost has less displacement but still gets 1-2 mpg less than the greater displacement non-turbo 3.7

 

[Ruger]

Ceramic block.
Direct injection.
Separate intake/exhaust variable valve timing.
Intake and exhaust tracks that are specifically tuned to the engine/application and not out of the parts bin.
Ceramic bearings in the wheels and U-joints.

Even with a 5500 pound truck (deducting 500 pounds for the aluminum body), I think that'll get you in the neighborhood of 20 mpg.

I agree with Cleave.