I doubt I will ever consider a replacement for my Toyos, but knowing the seat time you've had off-road, your opinion of these tires provides a pretty solid thumbs up to any potential buyers. You coming to Havoc?
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I doubt I will ever consider a replacement for my Toyos, but knowing the seat time you've had off-road, your opinion of these tires provides a pretty solid thumbs up to any potential buyers. You coming to Havoc?
Macman
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Personally I am torn between the two brands as well. I think ideally I will get Toyos for the summer, and Duratracs on stock wheels for the winter months.
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I will pair them up to my NVs (heaviest wheel will go with lightest tire, ect) so that once mounted they are all the same weight. Then I will take it one step further and mount the 2 of the closes weight wheel/tire on the same axle. YES, I am bit ****.
Awesome idea
I'll do this myself when the time is right
Those pig toyo's are heavy and expensive
I'm hearing the discovery SST works very well, looks awesome and is almost 10 lbs. lighter
Looking at Method Standards with Duratrac tires. I would love to race that setup against a truck with FUEL wheels and Toyo tires. Standards with Duratracs are about 86 lbs. Fuel wheels and Toyo MT's are over 120 lbs. I also have weight savings in other areas. Hope that tuned ECU can pull those boat anchors down the drag strip.
Squatting Dog
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Every pound of rotating weight is equal to 7-9 pounds of in car weight. For example, if you have a wheel that weighs 2 lbs. more then your competitors x 4 wheels, your car believes it has an extra 70+ pounds in the seat.
Also the overall weight of the tires have a greater effect on rotational weight than wheels. The reason is the greater the distance from the axle centerline the higher rotational speed. Since most of the tires weight is in the tread, that is the furthest point from axle centerline.
Wheel and tire combo
A: 86 lbs
B: 120 lbs
Difference is 34lbs
Total difference (all 4 tires/wheels)136lbs
Car weight difference between set A and B
952-1224lbs!
This is additional weight your Raptor has to move and STOP!
Hope this makes sense..
-Greg (aka squatting dog)
Also the overall weight of the tires have a greater effect on rotational weight than wheels. The reason is the greater the distance from the axle centerline the higher rotational speed. Since most of the tires weight is in the tread, that is the furthest point from axle centerline.
Wheel and tire combo
A: 86 lbs
B: 120 lbs
Difference is 34lbs
Total difference (all 4 tires/wheels)136lbs
Car weight difference between set A and B
952-1224lbs!
This is additional weight your Raptor has to move and STOP!
Hope this makes sense..
-Greg (aka squatting dog)
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bcjohnson22
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Thanks for the input.
That's very true.
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That's pretty crazy when you do the math.. also pretty eye opening. It would be interesting to see how much more body roll each set up got (A and B) if you compared the two.
Boss Hoss
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Just a FYi--have had several sets of the new style and old style MTR's---got to spin those as well.
Where I have to go is a lot more hostile environment that what is seen at the TRR for example. The TRR is actually very easy on tires compared to an actual off road situation where there are things that are very bad for tires and there is no support. The Duratrac is a good tire for light use where sidewall toughness is not a big concern. Lightweight tires come at a performance penalty—sad but true. In fact in all of the years, vehicles and tires on my trucks and Jeep none have failed because of a tread problem. Have always been sidewall failures. Granted most folks don’t have to worry about that given the environment they drive in.
Sometimes grass is covering up a washout that was not there the last time I drove across and the front end falls to the frame and 4wd low is required to back out. In that specific instance in various places have had limestone cut sidewalls several tires (including the BFG KM’s) to actual failure. Just know what type of driving that you do and make a smart and informed procurement that is based on performance in the required environment not just looks.
Where I have to go is a lot more hostile environment that what is seen at the TRR for example. The TRR is actually very easy on tires compared to an actual off road situation where there are things that are very bad for tires and there is no support. The Duratrac is a good tire for light use where sidewall toughness is not a big concern. Lightweight tires come at a performance penalty—sad but true. In fact in all of the years, vehicles and tires on my trucks and Jeep none have failed because of a tread problem. Have always been sidewall failures. Granted most folks don’t have to worry about that given the environment they drive in.
Sometimes grass is covering up a washout that was not there the last time I drove across and the front end falls to the frame and 4wd low is required to back out. In that specific instance in various places have had limestone cut sidewalls several tires (including the BFG KM’s) to actual failure. Just know what type of driving that you do and make a smart and informed procurement that is based on performance in the required environment not just looks.
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I've always been a big promoter of a lighter tire, and has been a primary factor in my past purchases & OCD over researching. I've found the duratracs & MT mtz's to really fit the best of everything, great tires.
That said, I recently compared some trip stats of another illinois truck who made the trek to the SD badlands run, ~2500mi round trip. My 68lb MTZs, his 90lb+ 37" Toyos... I was quite surprised to see pretty minimal differences overall. I'm still a promoter of less rotating mass, but having the addtl confidence of Toyos 10ply, it's looks, and all the while only giving up 1mpg... They will be my next tires, my $.02
That said, I recently compared some trip stats of another illinois truck who made the trek to the SD badlands run, ~2500mi round trip. My 68lb MTZs, his 90lb+ 37" Toyos... I was quite surprised to see pretty minimal differences overall. I'm still a promoter of less rotating mass, but having the addtl confidence of Toyos 10ply, it's looks, and all the while only giving up 1mpg... They will be my next tires, my $.02
So what I am hearing is the weight doesn't seem to matter. No noticeable loss of power or too much worse mpg. If that's the case I want toyo's. otherwise I am going with a lighter tire. I am also on the fence. Was also looking at cooper stt's
Toyo's definitely feel heavier and affect gas mileage
However they are tough as hell
However they are tough as hell
Boss Hoss
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Very odd...
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