Question to those with King's

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BigScott

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I cannot see much difference between a 3.0 Fox and 3.0 King shock. Maybe there is on internals, but how many of us Raptor owners are really going to be able to tell a difference. For extreme off road racing needs maybe there is a slight advantage for one brand or another. It boils down to the old Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge arguement. Some are Fox supporters, some are King supporters, and then there are the Icon supporters.
Your statement has ALOT to do with it.

So it looks like 95 % of Raptor owners are happy with stock Fox shocks (2.5), bigger is better for dampening. Fox 3.0 (twin tube) would have INTERNAL by pass. Thus "twin tube". ? So King would NOT be an internal by pass shock. But rather a larger piston without any by pass at all ?
Correct me if I am wrong here
What I have been told is King has a dampening adjustment that is external, meaning the FULL stroke of the KING would be at 1 rate as compared to FOX 3.0 which (to my understanding) has INTERNAL by pass meaning there would be 2 different dampening rates

And most off road race trucks run 2 shocks per wheel, 1 coilover and 1 EXTERNAL by pass shock ? As compared to a Raptor with JUST 1 coilover at each front wheel. Like comparing apples to sausages
 
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seems you cant wrong with either, Fox has made a big splash this year, (king of the hammers, score, etc.) lots of Fox. they gave alot of good deals to racers. I have King on my crawler and they are great, for what they all cost they better make a difference.
 

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I’ve just had the 3" fox installed front and rear & i don't know about night and day but they are a big improvement on already great set up. I did the springs as well so its hard to tell if all shock but the rear suspension is most improved and really feels planted. The front feel much less likely to bottom out and with UCA and tie rods feels as solid as a tank. I feel very good about the bang for the buck the RPG stage 4 set up has provided to this point. Barstow & Pismo trip will cement it.3 in fox rear.jpg
 

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You need to ask yourselves how do you use your truck. I don't care what the label is on the outside, a shock is basically nothing more than a hydraulic pump. Both Fox 3.0"s and King 3.0"s are 3.0" diameter shocks, the big difference lies within. Inside of the Fox's there is a sleeve with by-pass ports which will obviously requires a smaller piston to fit. The King's aren't internal by-pass so it does have a larger piston. I saw earlier someone mentioned that all TT are running 4.5". This is a very true statement. But it's also important to mention these 4.5"s are external by-pass shocks with a fixed speed sensitive C/O useually attached to the same wheel so the tuning can be dialed in to almost near profection. Now take away the by-pass next to it and run the same section. The results will be dramatically different because you have taken away a key element, and that is the flexibility of tuning for all sections of the track, and not just one section. Without by-pass technology, it's very difficult to set up a shock that will fly through the whoops and still drive smooth in the smaller stuff.

Take Mictouch's work on the factory shocks. Since I last rode in his truck, he has since had about 20 revalves and port changes, and I can tell everyone reading this the truck was down right fast in the whoop section, and still road great on the graded roads. This was 100% because of his ability too not only change the valving of the stock shock, but also the ability to change the by-pass ports as well. This allowed him to focus on all aspects of the ride, and not just a small section. Now, give Mictouch a 3.0" internal by-pass and the results will be light years even beyond what he achieved with the OE shocks. When you have that much more tunability, you then have the ability to really play with spring rates, ride heights and many other factors because of by-pass technology leading to a shock that kills it in all environments. I can't even begin to tell you how sensitive the Fox 3.0's are to pre-load adjustments and piston position. It's also important to point out the quality of oil, the shape of the ports in the piston's ect...

I know in the world of cars and trucks, the old saying is there is no replacement for displacement. This off course holds true if all else is equall. I have personally seen a Mitsubishi Evo, Subi STi and other turbo cars run rings around big displacement cars. If it wasn't for the ability to tune the hell out of them, they never would have stood a chance. I've never been one of those my stick is bigger than yours. I don't care if the shock has the diameter of a pencil, if it works better, than I will run it. For those who do measure the smile on their face based of size, then the answer is simple, pull out the sleeve of your 3.0" internall by-pass and put a larger piston in it. Just keep in mind, you have tossed out the window the ability to really fine tune the shock for all surfaces.



One last thing. All of the major shocks are fully rebuildable.
 
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