Outlaw vs RPG vs Brenthel

[BigJ]

Scott, you and I have met and spent some time. We've rubbed shoulders under a few trucks, we've turned a few wrenches together, lent a hand here or there, learned together and from one another. It wasn't much time, but it was enough for me to look you in the eye, to come to know that you are a very smart man, and to realize that you have a wealth of experience and knowledge.

When you say...

I spent well over a year now looking into Raptor products, I felt RPG made at the time what I felt was the quality product.

...I believe you completely. You said as much at the TRR when we met. Many times. You made it very clear how careful you'd been, you pointed out differences between the options, strengths and weaknesses of all, gave examples of other vehicles you'd built or helped build in the past that utiziled similar techniques... I have no doubt you approached this with an attention to detail few of us ever have. And in the end, the result of your research was to buy from RPG.

I was with you, standing right next to you in fact, when Corey explained, in detail, to a customer all about the crumple zone idea/concern/approach/handling at the TRR. At the time, the answers made sense to you, and in fact I got the impression the whole idea wasn't news to you in the first place.

But to be clear: there was no "guy" who "pointed out" any "valid fact". There was a discussion about this very thing, before you bought. A lengthy one actually, during which you came to know *exactly* where RPG stands on this issue. At the time you couldn't have been more supportive and in agreement on their approach. And, again, you became an RPG customer as a result.

So. You spent a year researching first. You spent 2 full days with and welcomed by RPG, helping them turn wrenches, learning from them, listening to them, sharing stories suggestions and techniques, and eventually buying from them. You knew *exactly* what you were getting maybe better than anyone else who bought from them that weekend.

Scott... please, don't insult your own intelligence and experience by claiming otherwise now.

Maybe you had a falling out with RPG after. Maybe a personality conflict. Maybe they took your money and ran...(I have no knowledge of any of that; just throwing out guesses) But what they absolutely did not do, was sell you something you didn't understand completely, first. And that includes the crumple zone "issue" you're raising now, as if it was news. Its neither news or an issue, and you and I both know that.

Bottom line? Tell us all about the customer support horrors you think you've had with RPG, if you must, and let us decide how to interpret them. But please don't tell us how you bought an inferior or unsafe product. You didn't. And even if you did, we'd have to believe you're pretty dumb to have bought in the first place, and that's something we both know you're not.

 

[Phyguy]

Oh, that's the Scott. Cool to put a face with a login.

Wow. I'd like to know what happened too.

 

[pirate air]

Maybe add the price of shocks, CV shafts and bump stops are additional to the prices listed on the sdhq and brenthal kit (oops) Raptizzle

I think if I had to buy a kit right now, based off of the limited information I know, it would be the SDHQ kit. I like the fact the suspension can go back to stock without a lot of rebuild (and the kit looks simple, in a good way). But as for how the SDHQ kit performs when compared to the others on the market??

 

[BOJANGLES]

In a pathetic attempt to salvage this abortion of a thread, lets try and make this a true comparison to the different LT kits offered. I'm sure a lot of members and viewers are deeply interested in this topic and apparently very passionate. I'm hoping a positive discussion turns out from this as I'm a serious buyer for the topic at hand and see how beneficial discussions like this can be when we're able to talk particulars with the kit builders directly.

Thank you Charlie for the best attempt yet to get this thread back on track. The fact that you're including facts, specs, pics, & prices should hopefully do us well in getting this thread back towards a useful purpose and positive direction.

...Because I can't stand the drama in this thread any longer. My GF is in the next room watching some Real Housewives ******** and it sounds about the exact same as some of the posts in this thread.

Some of us would actually like to learn about Long Travel here.

 

[Dv8tor]

I like the SDHQ kit. I'd like to see everyone else's final product though in order to see what I'm going to spend my tax return money on.

 

[BIRDMAN]

I'll show you some long travel.

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[J0shM1lls]

:********:

 

[beemerman]

I'll show you some long travel.

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What you talking wingspan. Lol


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[SPRSNK]

In other news, I had to order a smaller Nomex race suit Yes, I am prepping/training for race season now.

 

[Hockster]

Question to you that are installing the LT suspensions.. What is the scrub radius on these systems?