Love my Raptor - would like more power

[BentToast]

Are you drunk Pirate? From the warranty agreement exmple

Engine Components:
Covered: Pistons, piston rings, piston pins, crankshaft and bearings, connecting rods and bearings, camshafts and bearings,
timing chain and gears, intake/exhaust valves and seals, valve springs, oil pump, push rods, rocker arms, rocker arm shafts, and
lifters, SUPERCHARGER and Supercharger kit components. If a failure of any of the above parts damages either the engine
block or cylinder heads, a remanufactured long block assembly will be provided up to the maximum coverage of $5000.00.
Non-Covered Any engine components not specifically listed, including but not limited to, electrical components, seals & gaskets,
polished finish on SUPERCHARGER – as well as parts, filters, fluids etc., that are required to be replaced as a part of your
vehicle’s normal maintenance schedule as published by the manufacturer.
Transmission Components:
Covered: All internally lubricated parts within the transmission.
Non-Covered: Failure of related parts external to the transmission which may cause a transmission claim including, but not
limited to, electrical components, seals & gaskets, transmission coolers, levers, controls, etc.
Rear Axle Components:
Covered: Rear axle, ring gear, drive pinion, pinion shaft, side gears, bearings, bearing cap, washers, slinger, axle shaft, housing
and housing cover.
Non-Covered: Seals and Gaskets

Its basically the same drivetrain warranty Ford gives.

 

[TeamFordRaptor]

"Are you a certified automotive technician or a certified car salesmen?"

If you'd like me to be a Certified *******, I can be.


Read the Sig and you'll see Master Certified SVT & Ford Vehicle Specialist. This includes sales as well as training as a tech. Not Master Cert as a tech. I'm that one guy that is with you from your purchase all the way to if something goes wrong. I go back and work on your guy's truck in dress clothes to get the job done faster and more accurately. I'm also certified in Aston Martin, Ferrari, Bugati, and some Jaguar on both Tech and Product Knowledge. I'm telling you based on what Ford Engineers have said (Personal Friends) the truck can do as well as 2 trucks I've driven that it's been done to.

But we have your picture perfect accurate opinion of what you think the truck can do. That out-weighs 2 dozen highly paid, scientific opinions and 2 (As well as others) trucks that have already been done.

If you don't have faith in a little boost from a blower on your truck, DON'T TAKE IT OFF-ROAD. Problem Solved.

But in good spirit, your right, and I'm wrong.

 

[BOJANGLES]

Welcome Rumsey... Looks like you opened a big ol' can o' worms! Hahaaaa! Nice way to join and put up your first post with a bang!

 

[pirate air]

"Are you a certified automotive technician or a certified car salesmen?"

If you'd like me to be a Certified *******, I can be.


Read the Sig and you'll see Master Certified SVT & Ford Vehicle Specialist. This includes sales as well as training as a tech. Not Master Cert as a tech. I'm that one guy that is with you from your purchase all the way to if something goes wrong. I go back and work on your guy's truck in dress clothes to get the job done faster and more accurately. I'm also certified in Aston Martin, Ferrari, Bugati, and some Jaguar on both Tech and Product Knowledge. I'm telling you based on what Ford Engineers have said (Personal Friends) the truck can do as well as 2 trucks I've driven that it's been done to.

But we have your picture perfect accurate opinion of what you think the truck can do. That out-weighs 2 dozen highly paid, scientific opinions and 2 (As well as others) trucks that have already been done.

If you don't have faith in a little boost from a blower on your truck, DON'T TAKE IT OFF-ROAD. Problem Solved.

But in good spirit, your right, and I'm wrong.

Bwahahahahahahahahah!

Is someone all worked up? I don't need to ask you to be a whatever, because you're doing a good job of that all by your self, typical cocky car salesmen.

It doesn't matter how certified you are, because manufactures don't teach any tech or salesmen how to "hot rod" customers engines. So the fact that you're super master certified doesn't mean shit when it comes to a subject like this.

So you're telling me, not only are you salesmen of the year, but you also go around telling techs how to do the job "faster and more accurately"? WOW, they struck a ******* gold mine when they hired you! Techs at your dealer must really love you. How much more full of yourself can you get?

My "picture perfect accurate opinion" is real life. You even state " If you don't have faith in a little boost from a blower on your truck, DON'T TAKE IT OFF-ROAD. Problem Solved." Whats the point of owning a Raptor if you don't go off road? Its ironic the proclaimed 21psi Raptor is a SHOW truck.

"That out-weighs 2 dozen highly paid, scientific opinions and 2 (As well as others) trucks that have already been done"

Where are all these dozens of highly paid, scientific opinion people at? Surely they're not here. Are they the same people telling you the differences between a 3v 5.4 and a GT500 5.4 engine are "small"? If you can't tell the difference between something as obvious as a barn door and your ****, then it doesn't matter how many "experts" you're friends with; you will never learn anything with your head that far up your arrogant ass.

"But in good spirit, your right, and I'm wrong. "

Smartest thing you've said yet. The reality is, you're just sad your "Super Master Certified" **** swinging skills didn't work on me.

Are you drunk Pirate?

No not drunk bent, just didn't feel like reading it a 1am. Takes awhile to sift through all the ******** salesmen of the year likes to post.

 

[BentToast]

 

[FSM06]

WHOA!!! Fellas........let's all have time out or TATAS!

This thread has gotten long since I last visited. First of all, I would like to say that as a Ford Senior Master tech, I in no way claim to have expert knowledge in the field of racing or high horsepower engines. What I do know from dealing with the Roush portion of Ford and the numerous schargers that we have installed and serviced here, is that in a nutshell the 5.4L 3v that the Raptor uses as a powerplant is certainly capable of a charger that produces 6-8 psi and will gain in the neighborhood of 120-135 ponies and still maintain its reliability. I will call ******** on the 21 psi. (I know it has been done TFR, but I gaurantee the reliability is not there and to say that it will "safely" handle it is reaching.) PA, you are correct about the differences you stated about the lightning 5.4L and the Raptors 5.4L The short block is a different animal. It, however, is certainly capable of higher boost. My service manager has one that he races regularly and is putting 16-18 psi to it and it is generating nearly 600 Hp at the crankshaft. This on a stock shortblock. I stand to believe the 5.4L 3v is certainly capable of 435 at the crank without consequence. Roush durability tested the 5.4L with the numbers stated above and offered a 3yr-36K mile warranty.

FSM

 

[pirate air]

That hurts my internet feelings....

WHOA!!! Fellas........let's all have time out or TATAS!

This thread has gotten long since I last visited. First of all, I would like to say that as a Ford Senior Master tech, I in no way claim to have expert knowledge in the field of racing or high horsepower engines. What I do know from dealing with the Roush portion of Ford and the numerous schargers that we have installed and serviced here, is that in a nutshell the 5.4L 3v that the Raptor uses as a powerplant is certainly capable of a charger that produces 6-8 psi and will gain in the neighborhood of 120-135 ponies and still maintain its reliability. I will call ******** on the 21 psi. (I know it has been done TFR, but I gaurantee the reliability is not there and to say that it will "safely" handle it is reaching.) PA, you are correct about the differences you stated about the lightning 5.4L and the Raptors 5.4L The short block is a different animal. It, however, is certainly capable of higher boost. My service manager has one that he races regularly and is putting 16-18 psi to it and it is generating nearly 600 Hp at the crankshaft. This on a stock shortblock. I stand to believe the 5.4L 3v is certainly capable of 435 at the crank without consequence. Roush durability tested the 5.4L with the numbers stated above and offered a 3yr-36K mile warranty.

FSM

This sums things up pretty well.

 

[BentToast]

TATAS? I googled it and only got this

 

[BIRDMAN]

The Lightning 5.4 and the Raptor's 5.4 are WAY too different to make an assumption one will hold boost because the other did. The Lightning's bottom end was designed for boost; it is much stronger and built to support more power. The Raptor's 5.4 rotating assembly is basic (CHEAP) stuff that was never designed to hold much more power than what its factory rated output is. The Lightning has a forged crank, the Raptor's is a cast, the Lightning got heavy duty powdered forged rods, the Raptor's is very light duty powdered forged, the Lightning's pistons were forged, the Raptors are cast. The Lightning also had lower compression which prevents detonation when under psi, the Raptors compression isn't all that boost friendly for todays hit or miss fuel quality.



The Lightning used the Eaton M112 (1.85L) blower unit. The current Roush kit also uses a M112 Eaton blower. Its the same damn blower unit from Eaton. Roush doesn't build any super charger units. It's FAR from efficient in comparison to todays standards. A Whipple, Kenne Bell or any twin screw design blower will be a much better choice. The 3v head does flow better than the old 2v but it doesn't matter. The stock Raptor 5.4 bottom end will never hold the power to benefit from the extra intake valve when boosted.




Maybe the GT500 5.4 is safe to 22psi but the truck 5.4 wouldn't last one dyno pull on 22psi. 10 psi is tops for the Raptor 5.4 motor and even then its a grenade with the pin already pulled. If you want the Raptor's 5.4 to last and be reliable run about 6psi.

Maybe trading for a 6.2 would be a better option. 100hp, and warrantied.

although this discussion has gone way overboard already please understand i was not comparing the Lightning to the Raptor in any way. I'm simply saying that superchargers aren't the scary, unreliable aftermarket parts they used to be.

 

[TeamFordRaptor]

You're right. My racing experience, certifications, and trying to help my customers have all panned out for nothing.

The mechanics that buy me lunch and that I spend time with their families, hate my guts for being polite and helping the truck get in and out quicker.

The Engineers at Ford with their "scientific opinions" are over paid and don't know anything about the trucks they build (And obviously you have no faith in... Why did you buy again?).

The salesman of the year plaque (which I've never had) is so shiny, I can't find it against the white wall where I put it.

You mentioned my favorite part about not trusting your truck, so you don't take it Off-Road.

And all this boils down to, it's the opposite of what I just said.
Why you took a simple scenario, and blew it into your pissing contest is beyond me. Call me (I encourage it), and I can reference Engineers for you to e-mail or call to help answer your questions since you're convenced everyone is wrong.

I'll say again, and this can be said by those in here that know me; I'm not here for salesman of the year, I don't care. I'm not here to argue and defend Ford (YOUR TRUCK MANUFACTURER) when they tell me, and I believe, what a truck can do. I'm here to answer the questions in FACT. Plain, aimple, and direct. It's why I was asked over to this site from the others. Take it for what it's worth.

I hope we can come to some agreement and stop this crap cause we both look like idiots writing this crap when I answered in a professional manner the first time.

To the forum readers (and Ford for the Overpaid Engineer comment), I'm sorry for having lead this on so long and for anything that might have offended someone.