Let’s be honest- The Raptor R is going to be expensive!

[CoronaRaptor]

Cage will not happen, guaranteed. You'll crack your skull open on the cage in a wreck w/o a helmet. Ford can't sell that.

Maybe you'd see Ford do a cage on a "real" R that race teams would pay 150K+ for and could never be titled- but you will not see a cage in the "It Isn't Really A R Model It's Just A Name To Differentiate The V8 Option From The V6 Option On The Gen 13 F150 Raptor Package" trucks. R is shorter to say.

I don’t agree with you but respect your opinion. Doesn’t the new Bronco have a roll bar? Jeeps have had them forever and they wrap the bars, I’ve never hit my head on them and I rolled my previous Jeep before my current one, didn’t hit my head then.

 

[melvimbe]

To go to a R, you would think Ford would add more than a v8 and a blower, what about racing seats and a roll bar, special off-road lights, better suspension, better tires for off-road ( no comfy latte sipping cruising), these are just a few ideas swirling around in my head, lol.

The whole reason the R is being created is to compete with the TRX. To do that, they just need more HP, better 0-60 time, and V8 noises...without making it significantly worse offroad. I don't see why they would spend much time on making it a better offroad truck then the reg Raptor.

 

[CoronaRaptor]

The whole reason the R is being created is to compete with the TRX. To do that, they just need more HP, better 0-60 time, and V8 noises...without making it significantly worse offroad. I don't see why they would spend much time on making it a better offroad truck then the reg Raptor.

It doesn't make sense for any manufacturer to build a v8 with a supercharger as the market is trending all electric around the world, but here we are all speculating on who is going to win the horsepower wars, just like back in the early 70's. I just don't buy it, that Ford is willing to have a *** fight with Dodge and just put a v8 in a Raptor, they must do something more, but that's just my way of thinking. Maybe I'm wrong and the Raptor R is just one swipe away from a regular Raptor, just add the v8 package for $9,999.99. I say, why even bother building it in the first place.

 

[Frank N]

The whole reason the R is being created is to compete with the TRX. To do that, they just need more HP, better 0-60 time, and V8 noises...without making it significantly worse offroad. I don't see why they would spend much time on making it a better offroad truck then the reg Raptor.

This. Its all bragging rights, be interesting to see if they run it in the Baja1000....

 

[Frank N]

I don’t agree with you but respect your opinion. Doesn’t the new Bronco have a roll bar? Jeeps have had them forever and they wrap the bars, I’ve never hit my head on them and I rolled my previous Jeep before my current one, didn’t hit my head then.

Bronco does not have the mid bar.
Jeep owners don't have enough grey matter to damage....

 

[melvimbe]

It doesn't make sense for any manufacturer to build a v8 with a supercharger as the market is trending all electric around the world, but here we are all speculating on who is going to win the horsepower wars, just like back in the early 70's.

The market is trending in multiple and opposite directions at the same time. There clearly is a significant market for V8 gas guzzlers and Ford and Dodge will sell every TRX/Raptor R they make. And there clearly is a market for all electric vehicles.

I just don't buy it, that Ford is willing to have a *** fight with Dodge and just put a v8 in a Raptor, they must do something more, but that's just my way of thinking.

I don't get why that isn't enough. Lots of people on here have stated that they want more HP and a V8, and really don't care much about cost, MPG, etc. People are going to buy it, that's why it's being built.

Maybe I'm wrong and the Raptor R is just one swipe away from a regular Raptor, just add the v8 package for $9,999.99. I say, why even bother building it in the first place.

I don't think it will be much beyond a Raptor, other than V8 and anything necessary to accommodate the V8. That's also why they are making some cosmetic changes...so you feel like you're getting more.

It sounds like you're looking for practicality and utility in every feature of a vehicle, and while that's the case often, the reality is that people often buy vehicles with features they have no use for because they like the impression and the idea that they could. I'll be honest, I don't need a Raptor. I use mine as DD, light hauling at home depot, and light off road. I could have gotten an F150 lariat for those needs, but I didn't because I wanted a Raptor for it's looks, luxury, and bit more fun to drive.

 

[smurfslayer]

The whole reason the R is being created is to compete with the TRX. To do that, they just need more HP, better 0-60 time, and V8 noises...without making it significantly worse offroad. I don't see why they would spend much time on making it a better offroad truck then the reg Raptor.

There would be a major downside to this approach, you’d have just another TRX from a different brand. The Raptor has a decent off road reputation and cred, so anything that negatively affects the brand, eats into sales and permanently damages the company’s reputation, built on their most popular selling vehicle.

It’s going to have to be competitive with the Gen3 at every stage, and better in at least some regards. It cannot be significantly deficient anywhere. The Gen2 saved hundreds of pounds of weight, and gave up nothing in any category to the gen1. The Gen3 will likely / similarly be the equal or better to the Gen2. My concern around the v8 Rap is what will not only the extra weight up front, but, the beefing up they’re going to need to do to the drive train and suspension going to do to the handling off road.

So, they either have to be very close in price to the TRX OR offer significant reasons not to buy the TRX by way of advantages over it.

 

[Kaz109]

It doesn't make sense for any manufacturer to build a v8 with a supercharger as the market is trending all electric around the world, but here we are all speculating on who is going to win the horsepower wars, just like back in the early 70's. I just don't buy it, that Ford is willing to have a *** fight with Dodge and just put a v8 in a Raptor, they must do something more, but that's just my way of thinking. Maybe I'm wrong and the Raptor R is just one swipe away from a regular Raptor, just add the v8 package for $9,999.99. I say, why even bother building it in the first place.

Oh c'mon man you know the answer to that just like I do. It makes perfect sense and even Ford knows that most these posers in Raptors dont see as much ss a dirt drive. They are building it because there is a crowd in this segment that has the " I need a V8 in a full size truck" " a truck needs a V8" " it just has to have that V8 sound" mentality.


I would bet my outdated gen 2 against your outdated Gen 1 that ppl would be more like to buy a raptor R if it had less off road potential and more hp/better 0-60 times than a trx vs making it a full on off road Scab no backseats 16in of travel V8 that was unbearable to drive on pavement because of it's off road setup.

 

[SilverBolt]

I don’t agree with you but respect your opinion. Doesn’t the new Bronco have a roll bar? Jeeps have had them forever and they wrap the bars, I’ve never hit my head on them and I rolled my previous Jeep before my current one, didn’t hit my head then.

Pretty sure that both the Bronco and Jeep do not refer to them officially as roll bars.

 

[melvimbe]

There would be a major downside to this approach, you’d have just another TRX from a different brand. The Raptor has a decent off road reputation and cred, so anything that negatively affects the brand, eats into sales and permanently damages the company’s reputation, built on their most popular selling vehicle.

I think there might be some context confusion here. CoronaRaptor was saying that he expected the Raptor R to be a better offroad vehicle than the Raptor. My counter was that the Raptor R needed to have more HP than the TRX without being worse offroad...than the Raptor. I should have clarified with the italics, but thought it was implied given context.

I do agree with you that the R has to be as good or very close to as good in offroad capabilities as the Raptor. It can't lower it's offroad capabilities to match the TRX....that's considering that offroad capabilities may or maybe be subjectively interpreted.

It’s going to have to be competitive with the Gen3 at every stage, and better in at least some regards. It cannot be significantly deficient anywhere. The Gen2 saved hundreds of pounds of weight, and gave up nothing in any category to the gen1. The Gen3 will likely / similarly be the equal or better to the Gen2. My concern around the v8 Rap is what will not only the extra weight up front, but, the beefing up they’re going to need to do to the drive train and suspension going to do to the handling off road.

Agreed, but I don't think there is much to worry about here. Ford made mods to suspension and such to accommodate a 37" tire, so it's likely they will do the same for the R. Of course, it's not all going to be perfectly equal, simply due to costs and physics of different setups. As an example, the 37 package has less travel than the 35. Could they have given it the same travel? Sure, but not with a lot of re-engineering and costs which probably would have resulted in other compromises.

So, they either have to be very close in price to the TRX OR offer significant reasons not to buy the TRX by way of advantages over it.

It needs to be a Raptor that matches or exceeds the TRX while still living up to Raptor standards.

But I do think CoronaRaptor has a point about the electric trend. It's not hard to imagine that the hard-ons for V8 power may wane a few years from now when a Lighting work truck is out running supercharged V8s in 0-60. Won't take long before some puts some aftermarket tires and suspension and does well offroad...for a short half day trip.