Jamal explains why the Gen II is better than the Gen I.

[RLTW]

I'm not making it drama. You guys keep trying to discount a bunch of things you don't like about the Gen II







Anything will bend or break given enough force. Hameedi mentioned that the frame is stronger than the last one. Sounds to me that the new frame will be stronger than the old one. He has no reason to lie about it.







Oh I think he has a lot to say about the project. He's the one who would know about it. So you think he's spewing lies when says the engine is much better and will blow away the old V8? How do you think that would play out when the truck is released lol.



And I'm not exaggerating a bending frame problem. However, if there wasn't a problem or weakness of some sort, they wouldn't have taken the steps to improve the new Gen II frame.

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I gotta tell you guys, if this site doesn't start embracing the next model, in a few years any posts here are going to be sparse.

Lol so basically you are a koolaid drinker who is not even willing to entertain logic or reason. The eb motor is so far above hameedis head, sure he has input on the project but I promise you he was told what motor to use. To see proof of the strength of this push all you have to do is look at the new GT concept. Name me one true iconic super car carting around under v6 power (aside from the nsx, which is barely a borderline supercar). They don't exist because when you are not compromising you are going to run a v8, 10, 12, or a w16, under forced induction. In fact they already have v8 options better than the eb, this is a company push for a line of motors.

 

[bstoner59]

I'm not making it drama. You guys keep trying to discount a bunch of things you don't like about the Gen II







Anything will bend or break given enough force. Hameedi mentioned that the frame is stronger than the last one. Sounds to me that the new frame will be stronger than the old one. He has no reason to lie about it.







Oh I think he has a lot to say about the project. He's the one who would know about it. So you think he's spewing lies when says the engine is much better and will blow away the old V8? How do you think that would play out when the truck is released lol.



And I'm not exaggerating a bending frame problem. However, if there wasn't a problem or weakness of some sort, they wouldn't have taken the steps to improve the new Gen II frame.

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I gotta tell you guys, if this site doesn't start embracing the next model, in a few years any posts here are going to be sparse.

Keep drinking the koolaid homie [emoji122]


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[Jimbo]

It was a question, not an accusation. Guys are really defensive here.

Where was the question and the question mark?

 

[Geo_Tactical]

@Randy M "Better" is relative. Every company, when describing a changed product, will describe it as "better" than the previous. Intelligent people recognize that perception is driven by effective marketing, and having fanboys repeat the perception allows the company to make use of otherwise useless idiots. Until the truck is released, and tested in real world situations by early adopters, "better" cannot be known with any certainty. Additionally, oem upgrades to gen 2 that correspond to an additional cost should be bounced off of aftermarket upgrades to the original, and the overall cost of both as a ratio of better/dollar.

 

[Rated R]

@Randy M "Better" is relative. Every company, when describing a changed product, will describe it as "better" than the previous. Intelligent people recognize that perception is driven by effective marketing, and having fanboys repeat the perception allows the company to make use of otherwise useless idiots. Until the truck is released, and tested in real world situations by early adopters, "better" cannot be known with any certainty. Additionally, oem upgrades to gen 2 that correspond to an additional cost should be bounced off of aftermarket upgrades to the original, and the overall cost of both as a ratio of better/dollar.

Very good points here. However I go by history and what they've accomplished. First it was a 5.4, then they improved it with the 6.2. Then apparently they had some weak frame problems so they upgraded. Now they have the 500 lb lighter aluminum bodied F-150 with a higher performing (by the numbers) 3.5 EB engine. Stronger frame, better shocks, travel has increased, and I personally think it's a great package. To deny that the new one will be better given what we all know...well what can I say? I guess you can just enjoy the truck you have. Sounds like you're happy with it so why change over if it's good enough for you?

 

[Geo_Tactical]

Very good points here. However I go by history and what they've accomplished. First it was a 5.4, then they improved it with the 6.2. Then apparently they had some weak frame problems so they upgraded. Now they have the 500 lb lighter aluminum bodied F-150 with a higher performing (by the numbers) 3.5 EB engine. Stronger frame, better shocks, travel has increased, and I personally think it's a great package. To deny that the new one will be better given what we all know...well what can I say? I guess you can just enjoy the truck you have. Sounds like you're happy with it so why change over if it's good enough for you?

So, for instance, since you brought up the stronger frame: that the gen 1 frame was prone to bending under certain conditions was only known after real world testing. That's a very key point. The balance of forces must remain the same, and therefore strengthing the frame to prevent bending puts those forces somewhere else (shockmounts, maybe?). If you "personally feel it's a great package" then perfect, that's why companies re-fresh models, because there is always a market that hasn't yet been tapped. That market though, and the changes required to attract it, are only "better" according to how you define better to be. It's too early to tell whether the changes made, when looked at relative to what I described earlier, can be considered to be broadly better. I am not "denying" anything, as there is nothing to deny in the first place. You have managed to confuse inferences for facts, and so as long as you continue to do that, you are essentially talking to yourself.

 

[Raptizzle]

It's not my fault you guys keep quoting me. I'm not left alone here. If you don't like the '17 nor what I say about it that's not my fault.


New heavy duty frame is a great upgrade given the vids we've seen of the Gen I bending.

As far as ne being banned? For what, stating my opinion in the '17 board, about the new '17 Raptor? I think it's better given the research I've done on it, and I'll be ordering one.



Not sure what scenario this is to examine, whether or not I should be banned for expressing my opinion.

It's not so much as members not liking the 2017 or what you say about it, it's more them just not liking you. Give the 2017 crutch a rest.

The scenario whether you should be countinued to be welcomed here or not is a real scenario. I mean it's fun and all watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper but at what point is it enough. I'm sure you can't deny you're trolling and stirring the pot to evoke arguments.

And as far as the frame bending issue... Go do more "research".

 

[upscrazy8]

I don't think she's really drinking it. You gonna get grounded

 

[Rated R]

So, for instance, since you brought up the stronger frame: that the gen 1 frame was prone to bending under certain conditions was only known after real world testing. The balance of forces must remain the same, and therefore strengthing the frame to prevent bending puts those forces somewhere else (shockmounts, maybe?). If you "personally feel it's a great package" then perfect, that's why companies re-fresh models, because there is always a market that hasn't yet been tapped. That market though, and the changes required to attract it, are only "better" according to how you define better to be. It's too early to tell whether the changes made, when looked at relative to what I described earlier, can be considered to be broadly better.

All good points and all will be revealed soon enough. Some may want their trucks to be made of steel. I think that lighter aluminum is better for a variety of reasons. 500 lbs lighter can only mean that it's better in my mind. How could it not be?

 

[Wilson]

my mind says your a ******* idiot so you must be