Is the market saturated??

[04Ram2500Hemi]

You’re right about the $10k off MSRP. 6 weeks to delivery is almost unheard of though, with some exceptions for base model trucks. Some guys are waiting for 6 months to get their TRX (first world problem)

Agreed, 6 weeks for a TRX order isn’t happening. I ordered my 2021 back in April of last year and it took exactly 4 months. Right now folks on the forum are 6 - 9 months for delivery. Supply has hurt everybody.

I think what helped TRX buyers is there are a few dealers on the forum that will order at a discount. I’ve yet to see a TRX on a lot within 500 miles of me that doesn’t have at least a $10,000 ADM.

My hope is Ford produces a Raptor R, and then we can see how the TRX stacks up against it. It’s been fun to watch comparison videos.

 

[rugbym8t]

I think the OP may be on to something. There are a lot of Raptors near me available for sale. They have ADM, but there isn't an issue finding one on the lot at all. I spoke to all the dealers near me and the first call is the usual the arrogant tone "I know what i got" mentality. But as a couple weeks have passed, all of them have called back and wanted to talk again. I am just old school and want a MSRP deal. So I keep passing, even as they lower the ADM.

I am curious to see what happens as the year goes on and the 2023 models become orderable and the R launches. There seems to be a lot of trucks out there. There are the buyers who placed orders and they aren't going to switch at this point for these on lot trucks, and then you have the impatient gotta have it now buyers at any cost, but I wonder if they are starting to slow. The truly hot cars in this market don't sit a single day even with ADM. There are plenty of raptors sitting available on lots.

I also have a TRX on order for a discount (expected in 6 months), but I think people misunderstand the TRX marker. Ram isn't really sending dealer stocking orders of TRXs. They need customer orders. Ram is also confirming and checking that they are real customer orders. So the big Ram dealers are going volume on TRX orders with deep discounting. Knowing that not all the orders will convert, then they can keep the orders that don't convert as dealer stock and sell for MSRP+. It's their work around to get stock on the lot. Super smart for them. Right now you aren't going to find many TRXs without ADM in stock on a lot. If you hunt hard enough you can find a MSRP one, but you definitely won't find a discounted one (unless you order).

I am curious to see what the rest of the summer holds.

 

[melvimbe]

The market is not saturated. Just because dealers are willing to hold vehicles on the lot for $30k ADM doesn't mean that the market is saturated. It's a sign that perhaps all the FU money customers are drying up, but dealers will still be able to sell any Raptor for big profit (MSRP and maybe a little ADM) any time they want.

 

[CINISI]

I think the OP may be on to something. There are a lot of Raptors near me available for sale. They have ADM, but there isn't an issue finding one on the lot at all. I spoke to all the dealers near me and the first call is the usual the arrogant tone "I know what i got" mentality. But as a couple weeks have passed, all of them have called back and wanted to talk again. I am just old school and want a MSRP deal. So I keep passing, even as they lower the ADM.

I am curious to see what happens as the year goes on and the 2023 models become orderable and the R launches. There seems to be a lot of trucks out there. There are the buyers who placed orders and they aren't going to switch at this point for these on lot trucks, and then you have the impatient gotta have it now buyers at any cost, but I wonder if they are starting to slow. The truly hot cars in this market don't sit a single day even with ADM. There are plenty of raptors sitting available on lots.

I also have a TRX on order for a discount (expected in 6 months), but I think people misunderstand the TRX marker. Ram isn't really sending dealer stocking orders of TRXs. They need customer orders. Ram is also confirming and checking that they are real customer orders. So the big Ram dealers are going volume on TRX orders with deep discounting. Knowing that not all the orders will convert, then they can keep the orders that don't convert as dealer stock and sell for MSRP+. It's their work around to get stock on the lot. Super smart for them. Right now you aren't going to find many TRXs without ADM in stock on a lot. If you hunt hard enough you can find a MSRP one, but you definitely won't find a discounted one (unless you order).

I am curious to see what the rest of the summer holds.

Agree with everything you said.

I dont understand how someone can say RAM screwed up when they have dealers still offering discounts and they've been doing a better job with keeping up with the demand of the public. Ford had a disaster release and continues to screw their customers every chance they get.

 

[GTTXRAP]

If there were more DEMAND for RAM they would be screwi*g their customers as well. The TRX is overproduced and the demand is not there to pick up the slack--hence the heavy discounting. There are plenty (I'd say vast majority) of RAM dealers that are still charging (or trying) ADM on TRX. Raptor has a demand, dealers are marking ADM's, people don't like it, but it's there plain as day. People bitch, groan, whine and guess what Ford still has demand.

Supply chain issues aside (which is a primary driver right now) Raptor has always had ADM's. There was a small window where there were nice discounts (demand was not there) and many of us got $8K off sticker in 2019.

It's a free market and people can go buy a TRX. Nothing wrong with that, but you will take the hit on the back end--wholesale has already factored in those huge discounts.

Economics lesson for the day--like it or not.

 

[CINISI]

If there were more DEMAND for RAM they would be screwi*g their customers as well. The TRX is overproduced and the demand is not there to pick up the slack--hence the heavy discounting. There are plenty (I'd say vast majority) of RAM dealers that are still charging (or trying) ADM on TRX. Raptor has a demand, dealers are marking ADM's, people don't like it, but it's there plain as day. People bitch, groan, whine and guess what Ford still has demand.

Supply chain issues aside (which is a primary driver right now) Raptor has always had ADM's. There was a small window where there were nice discounts (demand was not there) and many of us got $8K off sticker in 2019.

It's a free market and people can go buy a TRX. Nothing wrong with that, but you will take the hit on the back end--wholesale has already factored in those huge discounts.

Economics lesson for the day--like it or not.

Speaking of economics can you show proof the the TRX being "overproduced"?
To make a statement like that im sure you have have some behind the scenes numbers we all havent seen or you wouldnt be making that kind of statement.
How is the TRX "overproduced" and people are still waiting on them and there are "plenty (I'd say vast majority) of RAM dealers still charging (or trying) ADM on TRX".

Serious question ..do you read what you're going to post before you hit Post Reply?

 

[GTTXRAP]

Speaking of economics can you show proof the the TRX being "overproduced"?
To make a statement like that im sure you have have some behind the scenes numbers we all havent seen or you wouldnt be making that kind of statement.
How is the TRX "overproduced" and people are still waiting on them and there are "plenty (I'd say vast majority of RAM dealers still charging (or trying) ADM on TRX".

Serious question ..do you read what you're going to post before you hit Post Reply?

Na, I'd rather just post to have people like you get worked up. Once you leave Texas I'll reply in earnest.

And it's a forum, people leave there opinion. That is mine. Don't like--don't care.

 

[LennyMoe]

Why do you guys keep saying, "Ford is ******** 'us' over."? Hate to break it to you, but Ford didn't bend you over with ADM...the dealer did, and they don't work for Ford. They work for the dealer. You think dealers at exotic car shops are all employees of Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, etc? Hell no.

Did Ford **** up with a lot of people's orders? Absolutely. Did they remove features from MY22 to fulfill orders faster? Yes. Did Ford mark your truck up $15k and hold a gun to your head to sign? No.

 

[CINISI]

Na, I'd rather just post to have people like you get worked up. Once you leave Texas I'll reply in earnest.

And it's a forum, people leave there opinion. That is mine. Don't like--don't care.

Yeah im all worked up. You got me because you post opinions as facts and then when you get called out on it have nothing to say.
You sure put on a good show ...partner.

 

[CINISI]

Why do you guys keep saying, "Ford is ******** 'us' over."? Hate to break it to you, but Ford didn't bend you over with ADM...the dealer did, and they don't work for Ford. They work for the dealer. You think dealers at exotic car shops are all employees of Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, etc? Hell no.

Did Ford **** up with a lot of people's orders? Absolutely. Did they remove features from MY22 to fulfill orders faster? Yes. Did Ford mark your truck up $15k and hold a gun to your head to sign? No.

Guess who signs an agreement with Ford to sell vehicles?
Guess who can regulate pricing at these dealers?

Go ahead ...take a guess.
Hint ...it's a four letter word that starts with F.