I wish I liked the gen3

[caleb]

Then please enlighten us and show some damn proof. You can look all you want but you won’t find orange stitching anywhere on Ford’s website. So, yeah, you’re color blind.

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-raptor/

If you need me to, I can get some crayons for you.

 

[Antho]

Orange stitching conspiracy?

 

[shigman]

That’s all from tuning - not mechanical/hardware - again, which can be addressed w/ aftermarket tune. Ford engineers figured the customer base could “handle” the extra TQ down low better w/ coil rear suspension.

I can’t recall- are gen3 trucks recommended for 93 or call for 91+ octane ONLY?

The 3.5HO also has been shown to gain 30whp give or take just running 93 octane vs 87 on an otherwise bone stock truck (some car mag tested & dynoed back to back & the ford 3.5HO was the engine that showed the biggest jump in power running 93 octane)

We aren't really talking about comparing modded trucks, or compensating for less power by adding an aftermarket tune. Dynoing two stock trucks of both gens in a higher gear that wasn't torque limited is pretty telling. Even if its the exact same engine, more power stock is more power stock. Ford seems to have decided to not change the rating (which is odd IMO). A higher compression ratio can make more power.

 

[Antho]

We aren't really talking about comparing modded trucks, or compensating for less power by adding an aftermarket tune. Dynoing two stock trucks of both gens in a higher gear that wasn't torque limited is pretty telling. Even if its the exact same engine, more power stock is more power stock. Ford seems to have decided to not change the rating (which is odd IMO). A higher compression ratio can make more power.

The 21+ just hits peak torque at a lower RPM due to the engine changes.

 

[GCATX]

They changed the compression ration slightly- since you can’t tune a gen3…..that compression ratio bump & the tuning out the TQ mgmt in lower gears means nothing b/c gen2 can run custom tunes….

“Gen3 transmission much better than gen2”- lol, bro it’s exactly the same ahahha

You can change the actual compression ratio with a tune? I am not a ICE nerd but how is this possible?

Also, it may be the same generation transmission, but the Gen 3 is way better than the 5th gear "B&M shift kit" and floating rpm's in my 2018. I had Goosetune with trans, it was good for a bit but would relearn the trash.

I still loved the Gen 2, but the 3 feels much quicker and refined.

 

[Badgertits]

We aren't really talking about comparing modded trucks, or compensating for less power by adding an aftermarket tune. Dynoing two stock trucks of both gens in a higher gear that wasn't torque limited is pretty telling. Even if its the exact same engine, more power stock is more power stock. Ford seems to have decided to not change the rating (which is odd IMO). A higher compression ratio can make more power.

Yeah except gen2 can be tuned gen3 cannot (well 2 years can), the increase in HP is due to mainly tuning, the belief is ford engineers dialed back the max TQ available in the first few gears on the gen2 to help reduce wheel hop esp in 2wd unladen, w/ the 5 link coil rear setup on the gen3 this was less of a concern- so they reduced the TQ mgmt on the factory ECM/TCM tuning.

I mentioned, as an aside, that regardless of year these EB engines respond extremely well to 93 octane - the factory ratings are on 87 octane I think?

When I see people mentioning the “trans is better” lol- it’s NOT. The trans tuning from the factory is better. So yeah - it DOES matter that you can run a multitude of aftermarket tunes on the gen2 b/c they’re all outta warranty for the most part as it is, & if that’s one of the selling points on a gen3 (& admittedly it is- if someone was keeping both stock, but who does lol?) but for guys like myself who have a long bought & paid for gen2 w/ the aftermarket tune & upgraded shocks/deaver springs (which…again while is a mod is also mandatory if you plan on keeping for any kind of mileage) it’s just a hard sell for me & others in the same position.

If you’re the type of person who isn’t super interested in luxury interior & tech gadgets, there’s really not enough improvement in a gen3 to pull me from my current gen2 w/ the current pricing situation especially

I do like the more refined interior, but I have 2 boys 5 & 10 & 2 Dobermans one of which always sits in front seat jumping around w/ dirty paws kids throwing sports gear & crap everywhere. I have neoprene seat covers over the leather & keep a 50/50 spray bottle of simple green & a roll of paper towels in the center console at all times lol- very much a function over form guy & given those circumstances a fancier interior is the last thing I want hahaha

 

[Badgertits]

the gen 3 uses a higher pressure DI system for improved high speed combustion. it also features lifters, rockers and phasers that function as intended. and metal timing chain guides + tensioners that do not flex or break. it is a superior engine.


that has not been my experience

I’m not in disagreement they didn’t do some tweaks to the engine, but its essentially the same - hell, Ford repped it the same power figures.

I am not convinced going to a higher pressure DI fuel system is necessarily a plus, I like the idea of having both port & combustion chamber direct fuel injection, keeps those valves & lifters clean.

As I’m typing this though…I do realize I have a late 2020 build, pretty much the only gen2 that won’t have the potential for cam phaser issues….so THAT is a factor.

 

[Space Ghost]

i like the mix of the digital and analogue gauges, having the recaro interior the gen 3 isnt that much better, other than the bigger screen.
I like the gen 3s grill better, but the gen 2 has a meaner look overall.

Suspension is nicer but with FRS 3.0s and icons im happy with mine.

Just hate the fenders on the gen 3, they dont poke out as much and thats what i love about a raptor the most.

 

[DFS]

This thread is comical, just like the Gen 1 vs gen 2 guys. Everyone is entrenched in what they own.

If money is no object, Gen 3 is better hands down. If you have your truck paid off and don’t have disposable income to burn on a new truck, nothing about the Gen 3 is going to make your life demonstrably better, so keep the Gen 2.

Both great trucks, I enjoyed my ‘24 more than my ‘23, and my ‘23 more than my ‘21, and my ‘21 more than my ‘20.

But none of them changed my life.

 

[GCATX]

Yeah except gen2 can be tuned gen3 cannot (well 2 years can), the increase in HP is due to mainly tuning, the belief is ford engineers dialed back the max TQ available in the first few gears on the gen2 to help reduce wheel hop esp in 2wd unladen, w/ the 5 link coil rear setup on the gen3 this was less of a concern- so they reduced the TQ mgmt on the factory ECM/TCM tuning.

I mentioned, as an aside, that regardless of year these EB engines respond extremely well to 93 octane - the factory ratings are on 87 octane I think?

When I see people mentioning the “trans is better” lol- it’s NOT. The trans tuning from the factory is better. So yeah - it DOES matter that you can run a multitude of aftermarket tunes on the gen2 b/c they’re all outta warranty for the most part as it is, & if that’s one of the selling points on a gen3 (& admittedly it is- if someone was keeping both stock, but who does lol?) but for guys like myself who have a long bought & paid for gen2 w/ the aftermarket tune & upgraded shocks/deaver springs (which…again while is a mod is also mandatory if you plan on keeping for any kind of mileage) it’s just a hard sell for me & others in the same position.

If you’re the type of person who isn’t super interested in luxury interior & tech gadgets, there’s really not enough improvement in a gen3 to pull me from my current gen2 w/ the current pricing situation especially

I do like the more refined interior, but I have 2 boys 5 & 10 & 2 Dobermans one of which always sits in front seat jumping around w/ dirty paws kids throwing sports gear & crap everywhere. I have neoprene seat covers over the leather & keep a 50/50 spray bottle of simple green & a roll of paper towels in the center console at all times lol- very much a function over form guy & given those circumstances a fancier interior is the last thing I want hahaha

Wrong.