Gen 4 500hp dark horse V8

[MDJAK]

My engine is so quiet , my MPG so low, def , absolutly don't want a V8...(To be honnest, where I am, a 6 cylinders is considered as a huge engine)

There’s a lot to back up your statement. While many, including me, love V8s, heck I’d like a V10 or 12 in a sports car, there are quite a few V6s that will stomp V8s. So what does a V8 bring to the table? Sound and bragging rights. And it’s good in a Bloody Mary.

 

[MORaptor1]

****** news

 

[EricM]

There’s a lot to back up your statement. While many, including me, love V8s, heck I’d like a V10 or 12 in a sports car, there are quite a few V6s that will stomp V8s. So what does a V8 bring to the table? Sound and bragging rights. And it’s good in a Bloody Mary.

All V6s that will stomp V8s are turbo charged. The same boost can be applied to a larger V8 as well, and the V6s get stomped. The Raptor R is proof of that. There's an extra 100 HP left in it if they go to turbos from the current power consuming supercharger.

The advanatges of this n/a 500 HP V8 over a TTV6 is simplicity. No FMIC/piping, no turbos, no turbo oil lines, no turbo coolant lines, no BOV, no wastegate, and no manifold pressure and the ensuing PCV complications.

 

[TomDirt]

Wheter or not the fed forces EVs down everyones throats instead of letting the market decide all depends on the upcoming presidential election- and the resulting promulgated rules coming from unelected officals in the EPA until 2028. The irony.

It also depends on when the next RoRo (car carrier) catches fire like the Freemantle Highway, which burned uncontrollably and after a month the EV's were still hot. The insurance companies aren't going to cover these if the very real dangers cannot be addressed.

 

[Oldfart]

Is the gen 4, due in 2025-26 going to get the 500hp v8 from the dark horse? I’m sure the raptor r will be discontinued by then. Let’s be honest….we all want a V8, and ford knows this. And…..they want “raptor” to be unique. The 3.5HO might not be the future (next 4 yrs).

If I was so stuck on a V8 I wouldn't have factory ordered a Raptor for myself. The same way when I was screaming around on a GSX-R 1000, I wasn't thinking about how what I really wanted was a Harley twin.

 

[smurfslayer]

It also depends on when the next RoRo (car carrier) catches fire like the Freemantle Highway, which burned uncontrollably and after a month the EV's were still hot. The insurance companies aren't going to cover these if the very real dangers cannot be addressed.

Only one thing really bothers the most profitable protection racket business in the world; government regulation. It will only take a small increase in coverage costs over what they are now for the .gov to intervene.

right now, EV’s are about 20-25% higher to insure. This can deter some customers from buying and that’s money the government wants spent. The first company to go over 50% more for an EV will trigger some kind of legislative, regulatory or bureaucratic backlash. Because of how in the current regime is on EV adoption, I would not be surprised if there would be a similar bill for insurance of EV’s like the ACA for healthcare. This would allow the government to not just regulate production, “encourage” ownership, but profit off the ownership as insurance coverage is generally mandatory.

We’ve seen the same thing with beachfront / coastal homes. Build on risky, disaster prone property. Hurricane rolls through and lays waste to your structures. Insurance covers, dramatically increases rates for everyone there. Rebuild, 2 years later, same thing repeats, insurance company tries to pull out. .gov provides a bailout.

 

[FordTechOne]

Interesting comments. All the banter aside, ford DID just release an updated 5.0…the wheels that turn, turn very slow. No reason to discount a “standard” raptor with a V8 in the future. Could happen.

As Smurf said, this has been gone over many times, and it’s not going to happen for a multitude of reasons, nor should it happen. The biggest one being that a 5.0 would be a complete pig in a Raptor, never mind a version that makes all its power high in the rev range.

There are significant differences in engine designs and calibrations between car and truck applications. Mustangs weigh thousands of pounds less, have much better aerodynamics, and don’t need to be capable of towing 8,000+lbs. Trucks need as much low end power/torque as possible, which means sacrificing power higher in the rev range. That is a lose-lose, because you end up with only adequate low end torque and only average top end power.

If you want a high revving Dark Horse 5.0, buy a Mustang. The 3.5 H.O. does everything better than the 5.0 in a truck application, especially a Raptor.

 

[New recaros]

I think as long as republicans have control of congress we will not have those protective bills.

 

[MDJAK]

All V6s that will stomp V8s are turbo charged. The same boost can be applied to a larger V8 as well, and the V6s get stomped. The Raptor R is proof of that. There's an extra 100 HP left in it if they go to turbos from the current power consuming supercharger.

The advanatges of this n/a 500 HP V8 over a TTV6 is simplicity. No FMIC/piping, no turbos, no turbo oil lines, no turbo coolant lines, no BOV, no wastegate, and no manifold pressure and the ensuing PCV complications.

Points taken. But simplicity? Those days are long gone, much like @Oldfart ’s goats’ virginity. The average new car/ truck has 10k parts, whether it’s turbo or not. I currently have two turbos, my Gen3 Raptor and 2021 Cayenne GTS, V6 and V8 respectively. Love em both. The exhaust note from the Cayenne is Beethoven at his finest. Especially on cold start. That said, a 6 cylinder turbo Macan, though ligutter, yes, is just about as fast.

In my short 50 years of car purchases (damn I’m old), I’ve had one issue with a turbo, a vacuum leak from a 6 cyl turbo. One word describes that: Volvo. (Mic drop) lol.

 

[BoostCreep]

I understand the simplicity argument, but as @MDJAK said above, these trucks are far from simple. When looking at all of Gen 2 and Gen 3, of all the issues we’ve seen on the forums, how many of those issues are with the turbo systems specifically, or even the 3.5 really at all? (Aside from cam phasers which has been long solved)