Funny how if you buy it from Ford it`s okay

[isis]

Full disclosure: I’m a FRPP fan boy.

With that said, the parts are engineered far better than almost all the aftermarket parts you buy. The fit, finish, and quality meet or exceed what you get from the factory.

I’ve had multiple tunes from FRPP (14 Focus St, 15 Mustang GT) both performed flawlessly. Drivability was as good or better than the factory tune, and the power was noticeably better.

As an example, I bought the JLT air/oil separator for my Raptor, but the routing of the lines, and the overall fit was below what I had from FRPP air/oil devices on my other cars. (I was disappointed enough I returned mine.)

The benefit of the FRPP parts is the in house testing, warranty, and excellent customer service.

I actually emailed FRPP when I bought my Raptor and asked if they were going to release a 3.5 eco boost tune. They said no, because the amount of safe HP they could make and still be CARB legal would not be enough to justify the cost.

I’m sure there are plenty of guys running tunes with no issue, but if the company who makes the truck says it’s not safe, I’ll take their word for it.

Just my experience.


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They didn’t say it wouldn’t be safe, they said it wouldn’t pass CARB. Big difference imo.

 

[TXRaptor]

I’d trust a Ford Performance tune over the majority of these so called “tuners” out there. Look how many threads you see on this site alone with people having problems because of their aftermarket tune.

Any clown with just enough knowledge to be dangerous and a laptop can call himself a “tuner”. But not just any clown can walk into the Ford engineering department and start programming tunes that could potentially cost them hundreds of thousands in warranty repairs if something goes wrong.

I know the price is a bit to swallow, but these are not simple engines anymore. Ford has put some serious technology into every motor they sell because of emissions, economy, and customer power expectations. We’ve come a long way from the old pushrod 302s.

Not sure where you have been reading about problems with aftermarket tunes on this site, but if you stay with the reputable companies like the majority of us, you will not have issues. I have been running tunes on my Raptors for more than 10 years without a single issue or problem. (None of them were from Ford, since they do not offer anything for Gen 1s or Gen 2s)

The MPT 93 PRX offers the most bang for the buck of any Gen 2 performance upgrade, so if you only plan to do a few mods, make sure they are at the top of your list.

 

[FordTechOne]

I agree with you and funny was the wrong word of choice. I know Ford and a the majority of other manufactures produce their own parts. But for example Synergy Manufacturing is a huge aftermarket suppler and the also make some of the steering components for OEM`S. A car would cost maybe 3 to 4 times as much if they had to make every part, Just like the new Jeep using the same transmission that is used in a MB. Dana/Spicer for the rears and the variety of manufactures for transfer cases a lot of OEM parts come from the same plant that makes parts for another brand

All good, and you are exactly right; suppliers are highly integrated into the manufacturing process and are critical the to success of OEMs. The recent tornado that hit Borg Warner’s plant in South Carolina was a transfer case supplier to Ford, FCA, and Toyota.

I found this interesting that a Ford 10.25 axle is sometimes called a sterling axle but it is a Ford axle made by a Ford owned company called Visteon and they manufacture axles for other car companies. American axle and manufacturing make ring and pinion sets for GM and dodge and the parts are considered OEM.

True; however, Visteon was sold off by Ford in 2000, at which point Ford took full control of the Sterling Heights axle plant.

Could it be like a group buy that is offered here? Its`s less of a cost for one manufacture of parts to make OEM parts for different car companies?

Yes, in many cases that is true. However, in other instances the supplier charges significantly more than what it would cost for the OEM to manufacture the part themselves. For example, Ford had previously used the ZF 6 speed in the Navigator; once the 6R80 was developed the ZF was dropped.

Do you know if the following is true? The Ford Performance warranty is provided by Ford Performance, not Ford Motor Company. If you have a failure that is determined to be caused by the tune in the first three years or 36k miles Ford Performance pays for the repairs. After 3/36k Ford Performance provides no warranty.

Yes, that is true. It would be nice if Ford Performance matched the factory 5/60 warranty, but 3/36 is better than nothing.

 

[Mister Pinky]

Not sure where you have been reading about problems with aftermarket tunes on this site, but if you stay with the reputable companies like the majority of us, you will not have issues. I have been running tunes on my Raptors for more than 10 years without a single issue or problem. (None of them were from Ford, since they do not offer anything for Gen 1s or Gen 2s)

The MPT 93 PRX offers the most bang for the buck of any Gen 2 performance upgrade, so if you only plan to do a few mods, make sure they are at the top of your list.

There are two threads off the top of my mind where users reported problems and FordTechOne pointed at the likely cause being a tune.

The first was the one on towing and the second was from the gentlemen who took his truck off-road and ended up with his dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree.

Now there are obviously some good tuners out there. 5Star, Livernois, Gale Banks, etc, all come to mind. But by and large, I’m willing to believe to the number of guys who know how to make safe dependable power far exceeds those who really do not, but claim they do.

 

[richnot]

That`s why we need you here! Thanks for taking the time to answer and explain. Everything you read sometimes has such a grey area to its hard to figure out.

 

[Traffic22]

They didn’t say it wouldn’t be safe, they said it wouldn’t pass CARB. Big difference imo.

You are 100% correct....sorry if I wasn’t clear, it’s an AND thing not an OR thing....as a California resident it drives me nuts, because we can’t get most of the safe tunes others can.

Should have worded my post more clearly.


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[TXRaptor]

There are two threads off the top of my mind where users reported problems and FordTechOne pointed at the likely cause being a tune.

The first was the one on towing and the second was from the gentlemen who took his truck off-road and ended up with his dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree.

Now there are obviously some good tuners out there. 5Star, Livernois, Gale Banks, etc, all come to mind. But by and large, I’m willing to believe to the number of guys who know how to make safe dependable power far exceeds those who really do not, but claim they do.

Two out of the hundreds of positive tune posts do not make a trend. Stick with the reputable vendors and you will be fine.

 

[Badgertits]

Full disclosure: I’m a FRPP fan boy.

With that said, the parts are engineered far better than almost all the aftermarket parts you buy. The fit, finish, and quality meet or exceed what you get from the factory.

I’ve had multiple tunes from FRPP (14 Focus St, 15 Mustang GT) both performed flawlessly. Drivability was as good or better than the factory tune, and the power was noticeably better.

As an example, I bought the JLT air/oil separator for my Raptor, but the routing of the lines, and the overall fit was below what I had from FRPP air/oil devices on my other cars. (I was disappointed enough I returned mine.)

The benefit of the FRPP parts is the in house testing, warranty, and excellent customer service.

I actually emailed FRPP when I bought my Raptor and asked if they were going to release a 3.5 eco boost tune. They said no, because the amount of safe HP they could make and still be CARB legal would not be enough to justify the cost.

I’m sure there are plenty of guys running tunes with no issue, but if the company who makes the truck says it’s not safe, I’ll take their word for it.

Just my experience.


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I find it amusing you “trust” Ford so much on this point & yet they continue to make trucks every day they know will have a can phaser issue lol

 

[Traffic22]

Every car has issues. If I’m not mistaken, the cam phaser issue was corrected a couple years ago, and they’re not making anything with that problem anymore.

To each is own. My personal experience has been the Ford tunes, and FR parts have been excellent. I’ve had mixed results with 3rd party stuff, some better than FR stuff, some not so much.

At the end of the day, yes I trust Ford a lot, I’ve owned 9 different Mustangs, a Focus St, a Focus RS, and now the Raptor. (12 Fords in total)


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[FordTechOne]

Every car has issues. If I’m not mistaken, the cam phaser issue was corrected a couple years ago, and they’re not making anything with that problem anymore.

To each is own. My personal experience has been the Ford tunes, and FR parts have been excellent. I’ve had mixed results with 3rd party stuff, some better than FR stuff, some not so much.

At the end of the day, yes I trust Ford a lot, I’ve owned 9 different Mustangs, a Focus St, a Focus RS, and now the Raptor. (12 Fords in total)


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Correct, TSB states revised cam phasers were in production 07/2018. Citing a handful of phaser failures post production cutoff is simply the reality of producing millions of any part.