Ford Gen3 Raptor and it's future- R's in greater #'s?

[Kaz109]

I still love a classic V8 supercharged Ford pick up truck. I drove a 2001 Ford F-150 Lightning for many years in West Texas. I think I will give my 2018 802a to my wife and buy the “R” when it becomes available. I appreciate the competition the TRX brings, but I’m sticking with Ford.

How much are you willing to pay for it?

 

[Anthony4135]

I've never seen such a mass exodus from a specific car forum as I've seen with owners trading their Ford Raptor in for a Dodge TRX! I've been a Raptor owner since Gen1 and the Raptor following has always been strong.. but there was no real alternative until the TRX.

Now with the TRX, I see Raptor owners leaving in droves.. and I totally get why.. the TRX is what the new G3 Raptor should have been. To offer us the same old engine with ZERO HP increase and just hope the 3-link suspension and new tech would be enough to make us happy just seems ridiculous.. or a cop out. You mean to tell me that after all this time they couldn't improve the engine... even just a little bit on the 3.5? Then just tease us with what it should have been in the R? Come on!!

So with talking with a buddy today we pretty much came to the conclusion that Ford will have to up the production of the "R" in far greater numbers than at least I have assumed they would be producing or what dealers are telling us they will be producing (1 to 3 allocations at the dealers I've inquired with) in order to be competitive and to keep selling the Raptor in the numbers they want to. Why do I say this?

I can get a TRX on order from a Jeep dealership I know at MSRP and can have my truck in about 3 months time, according to the GM there. They are producing the TRX in really strong numbers and individual dealers are getting far more TRX's than any individual Ford dealers I've inquired with (or, at the minimum, the predicted Raptor R numbers they are telling me they will get). The TRX I specced out comes out to $86K, only $6K more than my '21 specced 35" 3.5L Raptor!

So if Ford drops the GT500 motor in the Raptor, it's safe to assume that a loaded out R will run $95K, right? And, on top of that, every single Ford dealer I've dare to mention the Raptor R to immediately fires back with $10K-$20K ADM because of the limited production. So to that, I have to ask myself and others.. is the Raptor R really going to be worth an extra $20,000 to $30,000 more than a TRX? Personally, I'm not paying $105K-$115K for a Raptor R. Nope. Nada.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a Ford guy and I bleed Oval Blue! I've been a long time SVT owner, going back into the 90's and through the GEN1 SVT's, and onto Ford Performance releases. I personally see the pros of the Ford Raptor and that's what I really want in the future (I haven't put in my MSRP TRX order but I have a 2021 Raptor order in). But to jump into a 700HP bad *** truck... for the money, the TRX is it if Ford limits production and in turn dealers continue to mark them up (as we know they will).

But if Ford produces the R Raptor in much greater numbers to be competitive, this will level off the playing field (I do believe the Ford will be superior as a true baja truck, but if I'm being honest I live in the southeast and won't be jumping mine or running at speed in a baja setting). I'm not convinced the 3.5 will hold sales vs the TRX moving forward at it's price (Again, my 2021 3.5 Raptor will sticker at $80K). I also believe that the fact we already have what, 100,000 (wild guess lol) Gen 2's with 3.5 motors running around and baja guys not necessarily caring about the new tech, there's not a lot of motivation to move to a 3.5 Gen3 for A LOT OF PEOPLE.

So the only thing that makes sense to save the Raptor and keep the sales Ford expects would be to just give us the R motor and move forward with that as the standard! Kind of like how back in 2010 Ford initially released the Raptor with the 5.4L and within a year, made the 6.2L the only option.

I'm not trying to stir the shitpot here, only open this up for disussion and opinions. I know some will say there's no way they'll make the R motor the standard because it's scarce, but all they have to do is up the motor production line .

Well said brother. I have a 21 TRX and 21 37 Raptor on the way. Never owned a Ford or a Ram before. But wow the TRX is bad ***, Ford needs to get their stuff together. The Raptor and the Bronco launch…. What a s### show.

 

[Rated R]

What really gets me on this board is that many here post comments about the Ram brand calling it unreliable, a ****** Dodge etc. These comments would be fine if they referred to the old Dodge and I get that. But Ram has been quite the competitor for about a decade. I've had three and they've been really good trucks for me. These comments simply don't hold water. They don't have recent experience with the brand and are really just fan boy comments for Ford.

I'd order a TRX right now if I didn't have a stellar relationship with my Ford dealer. I would have kept my '17 Raptor if it wasn't for the soulless V6 engine. So I'm waiting for the Raptor R as I'm #1 on the list. My wife's Bronco FE should be here by Dec and I'm also #1 for the Bronco Raptor there. They really are great people and one hand washes the other. They've treated me well for sure and for that I'm loyal.

 

[Lizard]

There's a list for the R already?

 

[K223]

There's a list for the R already?

This has to be a dealer list, based on what they think may be coming. The R hasn’t even officially been revealed or announced yet. Other than a verbal from a Ford person or two after the Gen 3’s reveal.

 

[Frank N]

Dealers are keeping lists, some taking deposits, all for a truck that may not be released and even if so, they have no clue how many, if any, allocations they will get.
I refuse to be part of that circus.

 

[4wheelinAZ]

Dealers are keeping lists, some taking deposits, all for a truck that may not be released and even if so, they have no clue how many, if any, allocations they will get.
I refuse to be part of that circus.

You mean like the current Gen 3 circus? Lol

What a joke of a launch

 

[Frank N]

You mean like the current Gen 3 circus? Lol

What a joke of a launch

Gen 3 launch is seamless when you compare to the Bronco....now there is a righteous dumpster fire of a launch

 

[Lizard]

We're all caught up in this frenzy.

 

[Frank N]

We're all caught up in this frenzy.

Not me....but I am running out of popcorn