Custom Built Super Charged Raptor!

[BramageDained]

I both really like and hate threads like this. There's good info, but, they sometimes plant the idea that ends up costing me a lot of money too.

I'm not trying to second guess the decisions the shop made or anything, I just like getting the reason behind decisions/as much info as I can.

From the sound of things, the fuel system may not be able to move enough fuel at these power levels to make E85, etc. work. Gasoline has a lot higher power density per volume than ethanol (33.18 MJ/L for gasohol/E10 vs 24 MJ/L for E85) - you have to flow about 35% more E85 to get the same energy.

That's why I was saying it must not be able to handle the overhead.

 

[TheJoker]

E-99 basically piosened alcohol.
If you happen to live by an ethanol plant you can get race fuel.

I live within an hour of four race tracks / drag strips. They sell race fuel just over the border in NH. Doesn't matter though, I will never have a motor / Drive train, like Randy's that could handle it.

 

[Biggest]

I both really like and hate threads like this. There's good info, but, they sometimes plant the idea that ends up costing me a lot of money too.

I'm not trying to second guess the decisions the shop made or anything, I just like getting the reason behind decisions/as much info as I can.



That's why I was saying it must not be able to handle the overhead.

Hi, not sure who or what " planted " an idea?" Of the questions asked, I answered factually on some such as CR, materials, and reasoning of why we took a certain course or direction with regards to blocking off the oil squirters and using race fuel. Hope that helps. If there is a specific question you have I will answer it or have the shop answer. They have a proven track record and they are very easy to question and very happy to answer.

Randy

 

[Wilson]

I live within an hour of four race tracks / drag strips. They sell race fuel just over the border in NH. Doesn't matter though, I will never have a motor / Drive train, like Randy's that could handle it.

nor will I but the dream will stay alive.

 

[BramageDained]

Hi, not sure who or what " planted " an idea?" Of the questions asked, I answered factually on some such as CR, materials, and reasoning of why we took a certain course or direction with regards to blocking off the oil squirters and using face fuel. Hope that helps. If there is a specific question you have I will answer it or have the shop answer. They have a proven track record and they are very easy to question and very happy to answer.

Randy

I've kind of been poking around at this sort of thing, but, so far I haven't been willing to commit because of the lack of already done R&D on stuff.

Now that you will have done it... it makes it much more likely I'll follow through and probably spend a bunch of money doing it.

Personally, I'm kind of worried that once I start to mod my truck things will eventually get out of hand. There was a point where I thought the 440whp setup in my Evo was all I would ever need which escalated into it becoming the monster it was and it came to the point I would have had to spend $10k on a transmission to reliably hold the power which is when I got rid of it. By that point, I had sunk just north of $50k into the car and it's various different setups over the years.

 

[GoMuscles]

Man Im glad your doing this before me. First guy through the wall always takes the beating. Good luck bro and thanks for answering all the questions.

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

Can you elaborate on the "nobody has parts for the 6.2L" for us please? I'm pretty sure we were all under the same impression, and that impression was the availability of parts from Livernois. They are not making a 6.6L motor without some parts... I don't know if they are doing it through bore and stroke or one over the other, but they're/you're not getting more displacement with the same parts as a 6.2L. So what gives?


Also, for the hefty investment you've already made, why aren't you doing a completely custom fuel setup? The fact that most people don't "support" the BAP at all and all push for a larger pump... what is the reasoning? I don't understand how the BAP with the stock pump is any more or less than the fuel rails can handle vs a pump of equal value to the stock pump @ 14-16V. I've never had a BAP failure, but I've also only used them on low dollar budget builds where the BAP was already available and the labor to remove the tank and modify the fuel hat was more work than it was worth.

Thank you for treading these waters, we all greatly appreciate it.

 

[Biggest]

I've kind of been poking around at this sort of thing, but, so far I haven't been willing to commit because of the lack of already done R&D on stuff.

Now that you will have done it... it makes it much more likely I'll follow through and probably spend a bunch of money doing it.

Personally, I'm kind of worried that once I start to mod my truck things will eventually get out of hand. There was a point where I thought the 440whp setup in my Evo was all I would ever need which escalated into it becoming the monster it was and it came to the point I would have had to spend $10k on a transmission to reliably hold the power which is when I got rid of it. By that point, I had sunk just north of $50k into the car and it's various different setups over the years.

I know exactly how you feel. I erred in assuming that their would be parts available. I will caution EVERYONE that goes this route to have parts in hand before you even consider pulling your engine.
It has been over three months of wait.
I will say this with all certainty, despite what you see advertised, NOBODY has the following in stock for the 6.2
CAMS
PISTONS
RODS
OIL GEARS
FUEL PUMP

I notice that vendors are advertising " oil pump gears " in stock, understand this ....... they DO NOT have them in stock!!!! If my words of advice do not suffice, I challenge you to call them, place your order and request overnight or two day delivery! Better yet, have them send you a picture.

 

[GoMuscles]

You are correct in regards to the oil pump that for sure. Just got off the phone with TSS who is only 2 hrs from the house and David is scrabbling to fill back orders rt now. Hes shocked at the demand and its no surprise looking at how Ford has been ramping up production in the last few years.

I had plans of going this route later this year but I planned on having the built short block from Livernois in the garage before pulling the stock motor. My only reservation with Livernois set up was the stock crank. I'm cool with the 6.2 displacement bc I figure the whipple can make up for it but I'm not so hot on the idea of buying fine jewelry and pairing it up with the stock crank.

 

[Biggest]

Can you elaborate on the "nobody has parts for the 6.2L" for us please? I'm pretty sure we were all under the same impression, and that impression was the availability of parts from Livernois. They are not making a 6.6L motor without some parts... I don't know if they are doing it through bore and stroke or one over the other, but they're/you're not getting more displacement with the same parts as a 6.2L. So what gives?


Also, for the hefty investment you've already made, why aren't you doing a completely custom fuel setup? The fact that most people don't "support" the BAP at all and all push for a larger pump... what is the reasoning? I don't understand how the BAP with the stock pump is any more or less than the fuel rails can handle vs a pump of equal value to the stock pump @ 14-16V. I've never had a BAP failure, but I've also only used them on low dollar budget builds where the BAP was already available and the labor to remove the tank and modify the fuel hat was more work than it was worth.

Thank you for treading these waters, we all greatly appreciate it.

I cannot speak for what Livernois has as far as a 6.6 L perhaps they have one, perhaps they say they have one.
I do have an increase in displacement but not to 6.6 L. As far as " what gives" I built my engine to handle more boost, I did not set out to build a large displacement NA engine.
On the fuel system question, I felt very comfortable that the BAP would suffice.
You need to draw the line at some stage. Here is a useful link on the Kenne Bell BAP, oh yeah it's the same one that Livernois is selling.

http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/Common/pdfs/BAPtheory_kens.pdf