Camburg Stock Length Shackles

[MTF]

extended length shackles will:

Shorten spring life

Shorten driveshaft life

Create the potential for increased spring wrap

They are not compatible with traction bars. The extended shackles allow the rear axle to move a few inches farther forward during droop travel to gain the additional total down-travel. Traction bars are designed to keep the rear axle in a predefined arc.

As the spring unloads, the traction bars won't let the rear axle swing forward ( by design ) and the extended shackles are not able to rotate as they are without the traction bars. ( because the shackles are designed for one arc and the traction bars are designed for a different arc. )

This scenario leads to binding and tends to rob about 2.5-3" of droop travel out of the truck.

The combo of the two can also cause shock issues and certainly makes it near impossible to tune the shocks.

I experienced this on my truck, and I've seen it on 4 or 5 other gen2 raptors.

The combo leads to an incredibly ****** ride which is the most noticeable offroad.

Real Traction bars/arm like from Rogue Racing and KHC have swinging shackles that allow for the rear to move back and forth.



Not like these cheaper ones

 

[zombiekiller]

Real Traction bars/arm like from Rogue Racing and KHC have swinging shackles that allow for the rear to move back and forth.

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Not like these cheaper ones
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they bind, just like everyone else's with extended shackles. yes, I'd seen it in person on multiple trucks. In one scenario, it actually ruined someone's baja trip because it handled so poorly.

Plus, Rogue racing is a trash company run by crooks. I don't care if they released a new suspension system that tickled your taint, I still wouldn't give those idiots a nickel.

 

[Wojciech Gierczynski]

I got to replacing Camburg Stock Length Shackles on my Icon Leaf Springs with RPG Stock Length Shackles. First I know RPG ones are twice the price but quality and finish 100% better. Also night and day difference with clearance. With RPG Shackles you have space for days for compression on your leafs.

 

[Swaddict]

I got to replacing Camburg Stock Length Shackles on my Icon Leaf Springs with RPG Stock Length Shackles. First I know RPG ones are twice the price but quality and finish 100% better. Also night and day difference with clearance. With RPG Shackles you have space for days for compression on your leafs.

are they the billet shackles?

 

[Wojciech Gierczynski]

are they the billet shackles?

Yes sir. I would say pair of them dont even weight as much as one of the Camburg ones. Camburg Shackles did almost touch Icon Leafs when truck was just sitting parked

 

[adllewis42]

extended length shackles will:

Shorten spring life

Shorten driveshaft life

Create the potential for increased spring wrap

They are not compatible with traction bars. The extended shackles allow the rear axle to move a few inches farther forward during droop travel to gain the additional total down-travel. Traction bars are designed to keep the rear axle in a predefined arc.

As the spring unloads, the traction bars won't let the rear axle swing forward ( by design ) and the extended shackles are not able to rotate as they are without the traction bars. ( because the shackles are designed for one arc and the traction bars are designed for a different arc. )

This scenario leads to binding and tends to rob about 2.5-3" of droop travel out of the truck.

The combo of the two can also cause shock issues and certainly makes it near impossible to tune the shocks.

I experienced this on my truck, and I've seen it on 4 or 5 other gen2 raptors.

The combo leads to an incredibly ****** ride which is the most noticeable offroad.

I understand this is all coming from someone who really beats this **** out of these trucks, but for us normal folk, would a 1" drop shackle really be that bad? Most of the miles on my truck are on paved roads and when i do take it off-road, I'm going down forest roads in the Western US. All I deal with is gravel, washboards, potholes, and the occasional "rock crawling". I just have a hard time believing that adding 1" to the length of these shackles will cause so many negative impacts when the truck isn't being pushed to its max.

 

[Booth9999]

I understand this is all coming from someone who really beats this **** out of these trucks, but for us normal folk, would a 1" drop shackle really be that bad? Most of the miles on my truck are on paved roads and when i do take it off-road, I'm going down forest roads in the Western US. All I deal with is gravel, washboards, potholes, and the occasional "rock crawling". I just have a hard time believing that adding 1" to the length of these shackles will cause so many negative impacts when the truck isn't being pushed to its max.

The short answer is yes. Just because you are not pushing your truck does not mean you should have a inferior suspension setup. The real question is why would you want it incorrect?

 

[adllewis42]

The short answer is yes. Just because you are not pushing your truck does not mean you should have a inferior suspension setup. The real question is why would you want it incorrect?

I mean, how do you define "correct"? If the rear is jacked up 3 inches from installing stiffer springs, is that "correct"? Does it make it "more correct" or "less incorrect" or any combination thereof by swapping out to some shackles that allow the truck to sit a little more level? I guess your other option is to raise the front but you've got to be against that since now you've mess with your "correct" CV angles, right?

I mean, there's got to be a point where the rubber meets the road here and we get out of the ideal world of purely perfect paper drafting and realize that, for 99% of applications, even these "incorrect" parts will work fine.

I think it's valid to point out potential problems with them but I also think it's important to be fair with those critiques and also point out that a problem would never arise from them unless you operate in some very narrow windows.

 

[lateralis]

So I found this video on YouTube that makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately it doesn't go into much detail about the orientation of our trucks shackles but you should be able to figure it out with some math. Probably the best way for us to figure out what works is to reverse engineer stock to what you are planning on going to if you want but I think this is really getting into the weeds. Especially when you consider how some of the shackles have different designs that change the angles at which they are connected to the leaf spring and body mount.

 

[nikhsub1]

How hard of an install is installing shackles? Detail of procedure? TIA.