Cam Phaser/Engine Failure Reports

[RMB_Ryan]

I’m not so sure the cam phaser issues are entirely the cam phasers fault. It is all part of the “timing chain drive” and cam design. Meaning the phasers are always going to be the major cause or the affect of the actual problem. It is generally the case that cam phasers as well as a stretched or excessively worn timing chains are not the cause of why they are either having problems or failures.

As I mentioned earlier, there is a lot of thing we have taken note of that would be why some of these issues are happening. Address many or all of those, the cam phaser issue likely isn’t an issue any longer. Working on a few things for this, most our customers hammer on there trucks, and most of the people we know who own raptors hammer on their trucks. They are phenomenal and I love them, and the engines. Nothing is perfect, and if you
Knew what I did about 2018 5.0L coyotes everyone wouldn’t think the ecoboost has problems. Those things are just getting yanked left and right by service departments

 

[rtmozingo]

@RMB_Ryan care to elaborate what you think are some of the most likely culprits leading to this issue?

 

[MDJAK]

Okay, so I read through 11 pages of this thread. It's 42 pages and I don't have the time to continue.

Is there evidence of this happening to '19 Raptors also? I also read a post here early on about not letting the dealer do oil changes because they use 5w 20? Is that a problem? I've had two oil changes on mine at dealer thus far, both with synthetic. I haven't heard any of that tell-tale rattle. Thankfully.

 

[RMB_Ryan]

@RMB_Ryan care to elaborate what you think are some of the most likely culprits leading to this issue?

There are a few long posts I made earlier in the thread (so long to retype right now.

 

[WraptorBoy]

Okay, so I read through 11 pages of this thread. It's 42 pages and I don't have the time to continue.

Is there evidence of this happening to '19 Raptors also? I also read a post here early on about not letting the dealer do oil changes because they use 5w 20? Is that a problem? I've had two oil changes on mine at dealer thus far, both with synthetic. I haven't heard any of that tell-tale rattle. Thankfully.

From what I can gather, the evidence of this happening to 2019s is very little to none. I am saying "very little" because there is always a chance it's still happening. No one will know this definitively. But, it's also much too early to tell. It seems most notice this around 10-25k miles. There prob aren't many 2019s with that many miles on it yet.

However, keep it in check. About 30K Raptors are sold every year with this engine. About 100K F-150s are sold every year with this engine. On this forum, 25 people have reported this issue. In my opinion, this issue seems to occur due to some poor manufacturing of cam system parts, for a period. Maybe it is a weak design. No one will know the answer nor be able to predict the outcome.

Ford is on Gen 2 Raptor and Gen 2 ecoboost 3.5l, both in production since 2017. Maybe the new changes are the culprit. Again, no one will know.

I don't feel the issue is a design fault but more of a focused period of badness of whatever caused the issue.

As far as oil, I do my own. Just beacuse it's a dealer doesn't mean they have workers there that know what they are doing or care. I owned a BMW and took it in for an oil change and just for the fun of it, asked what oil it took (me already knowing). Service manager AND main mech both said synthetic. WRONG ANSWER. My model, as stated in the manual, used normal non-synth oil. They assume and we pay the price for ignorance (which I am not ruling out as the cause for the "cam phaser" issue).

That being said, I will be getting a 2019 (assuming I get the price I want).

 

[rtmozingo]

From what I can gather, the evidence of this happening to 2019s is very little to none. I am saying "very little" because there is always a chance it's still happening. No one will know this definitively. But, it's also much too early to tell. It seems most notice this around 10-25k miles. There prob aren't many 2019s with that many miles on it yet.

However, keep it in check. About 30K Raptors are sold every year with this engine. About 100K F-150s are sold every year with this engine. On this forum, 25 people have reported this issue. In my opinion, this issue seems to occur due to some poor manufacturing of cam system parts, for a period. Maybe it is a weak design. No one will know the answer nor be able to predict the outcome.

Ford is on Gen 2 Raptor and Gen 2 ecoboost 3.5l, both in production since 2017. Maybe the new changes are the culprit. Again, no one will know.

I don't feel the issue is a design fault but more of a focused period of badness of whatever caused the issue.

As far as oil, I do my own. Just beacuse it's a dealer doesn't mean they have workers there that know what they are doing or care. I owned a BMW and took it in for an oil change and just for the fun of it, asked what oil it took (me already knowing). Service manager AND main mech both said synthetic. WRONG ANSWER. My model, as stated in the manual, used normal non-synth oil. They assume and we pay the price for ignorance (which I am not ruling out as the cause for the "cam phaser" issue).

That being said, I will be getting a 2019 (assuming I get the price I want).

Further backing this is that very few 2017s have exhibited this issue, as opposed to a "high" number of 2018s, which further seems to indicate it is a bad batch of parts or assembly. FWIW, less than 1% of Raptors have had this issue, and there's quite a few regular F150 owners saying they've gone 60K with a rattle and no detrimental effects.

 

[Raptor911]

where did you get this stat >> About 30K Raptors are sold every year with this engine

From what I can gather, the evidence of this happening to 2019s is very little to none. I am saying "very little" because there is always a chance it's still happening. No one will know this definitively. But, it's also much too early to tell. It seems most notice this around 10-25k miles. There prob aren't many 2019s with that many miles on it yet.

However, keep it in check. About 30K Raptors are sold every year with this engine. About 100K F-150s are sold every year with this engine. On this forum, 25 people have reported this issue. In my opinion, this issue seems to occur due to some poor manufacturing of cam system parts, for a period. Maybe it is a weak design. No one will know the answer nor be able to predict the outcome.

Ford is on Gen 2 Raptor and Gen 2 ecoboost 3.5l, both in production since 2017. Maybe the new changes are the culprit. Again, no one will know.

I don't feel the issue is a design fault but more of a focused period of badness of whatever caused the issue.

As far as oil, I do my own. Just beacuse it's a dealer doesn't mean they have workers there that know what they are doing or care. I owned a BMW and took it in for an oil change and just for the fun of it, asked what oil it took (me already knowing). Service manager AND main mech both said synthetic. WRONG ANSWER. My model, as stated in the manual, used normal non-synth oil. They assume and we pay the price for ignorance (which I am not ruling out as the cause for the "cam phaser" issue).

That being said, I will be getting a 2019 (assuming I get the price I want).

 

[MDJAK]

thank you both

 

[Booth9999]

where did you get this stat >> About 30K Raptors are sold every year with this engine

I was told they made about 45,000 in 18 but can’t remember where.

 

[WraptorBoy]

where did you get this stat >> About 30K Raptors are sold every year with this engine

I just did a quick check and apparently, 700K F series are sold a year and, of that, about 450K of those are F-150. Just real quick rough data. I dont know the number using a 3.5l but I will assume half for this conversation. Seems reasonable since I know I wouldn't get an F-150 without the 3.5l or greater.

So going by this, real rough, I would say the percent of Raptors having this issue is more like .1% or lower. This is all my research and my opinion so...

If you stick with the above estimate of 1%, you would want to compare more to the 450K F-150s sold a year and I would assume more than half of those have the 3.5l ecoboost.

Oh and all my data is just from scouring the internet but lets hope no one else has the issue!