Bought myself a commuter car today....save some miles on the Raptor

[isis]

We're just saying, enjoy it while it is under warranty, but don't get married to it.

Totally agree. They’re fabulous cars in years 0-7, if you’re going for 10-15 and hate maintenance maybe there’s better choices.

what I was getting at is the premium Feel and experience is worth the extra service money to some people.

 

[ktmcolorado]

Most around here that actually own Raptors, we should only talk about them since obviously that ends up to a lot of hurt feelings. I drive a SH@tbox according to most everyone on this forum.

What does it matter what anyone on this forum thinks about what you drive other than you?

VWs are fun cars, you like them. I respect that, enjoy the car and keeping miles off the Raptor. Most around here would like to do the same if they could.

You do you, no one else matters.

Umm...Then why are you posting to everyone about what you are driving if you don't want to hear their opinions in return???? Just letting the world know what you're driving just in case we were wondering???

 

[jamanrr]

Umm...Then why are you posting to everyone about what you are driving if you don't want to hear their opinions in return???? Just letting the world know what you're driving just in case we were wondering???

can we all be friends? What would you all consider not to be SH@tboxes?

Maybe not sure, I have not really seen a more hostile board towards other vehicles. Every person on this board has their own favorite brands. Honestly, a Raptor is an extension of most peoples personality. It only makes sense that most of the people who own them would have extensive histories with other RACE / NICHE type vehicles.

To each their own, but the most well rounded auto enthusiast can respect lots of other vehicles regardless of who made them or what they enjoy.

 

[goblues38]

We're just saying, enjoy it while it is under warranty, but don't get married to it.

what ever.

 

[Ricoman]

Bring a trailer and their 1600 mi Raptor would disagree with you.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2...e=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-06-09

I bet it sells for what I paid for my Gen 2.

Totally agree,Maybe not what you paid for your Gen2,but pretty damn close...a while back there was a Gen 1...(forgot year)but it was as good as new with around 100 miles on it,stored since new and it sold for $58K on BYOT...I even placed a bid on it LOL.
I know I've been offered more than I paid for my Gen1,although it wouldnt buy me a Gen 2 (dont want anyway) ...not many Trucks can say they hold the value like a WELL CARED FOR...Raptor...I didnt buy mine to make $$,but sure glad to know I might not lose any either....

 

[Medic 6]

2020 ST looks great, hated ours, bought it Dec 26 2019, traded it back to dealer for the Raptor Mar 9 2020. Check the explorer forums before you buy one, lots of issues including xsmn issues, wind whistles, rattles, missing parts from the factory, etc.

I have a 19 Edge ST and the 18 Raptor. Both fun vehicles.

 

[Mister Pinky]

You don't have to apologize. Your anecdotal stories do not override the fact that they are junk. Junk cars made in 2020 are still pretty good compared to the best car from 50 years ago- but compared to the modern competition, VWs are not reliable and it's not even a close competition.

I know the guys who actually service them, the service writers, etc. They all have plenty of experience with other brands, both import and domestic. All cars fail no matter the brand, but they all think VWs are junk compared to nearly everything else on the market. It's job security for them though.

They are more reliable than a Merc, but that ain't saying much.


Edit:
Not a fan of CR, but when VWs make up 20% of the 2020 10 least reliable list and are butt buddies with Chrysler, Chevy and Tesla... well, I don't know what else to tell ya.


10 least reliable models of 2020, according to Consumer Reports:

• Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon (same body style, different badging)
• Chevrolet Camaro
• Jeep Wrangler
• Alfa Romeo Giulia
• Volkswagen Atlas
• Volkswagen Tiguan
• Acura MDX
• Tesla Model X
• Chrysler Pacifica
• Chevrolet Traverse

Ah yes, Consumer Reports. The same rocket scientists who told us Super Duties were unsafe because they were likely to roll over under emergency maneuvers and had poor braking ability.

 

[Mister Pinky]

The transmissions are a lot cheaper to maintain and they give you a lot more feel/ control over the vehicle. The now generation don't want to do that so they pretty much have eliminated shifting in modern vehicles. Paddle shifting an auto is not the same as rowing your own gears.

They’re really not that much cheaper to maintain as a clutch and flywheel is considered a replaceable wear item that WILL need service.

The death of the manual transmission isn’t so much about consumer choice but rather maximum efficiency and performance. A good dual clutch or even the new 10 spds. will easily outperform most manuals.

Not to mention, an auto trans will allow a PCM to see how power from the engine is being put down and can adjust accordingly.

 

[jamanrr]

They’re really not that much cheaper to maintain as a clutch and flywheel is considered a replaceable wear item that WILL need service.

The death of the manual transmission isn’t so much about consumer choice but rather maximum efficiency and performance. A good dual clutch or even the new 10 spds. will easily outperform most manuals.

Not to mention, an auto trans will allow a PCM to see how power from the engine is being put down and can adjust accordingly.

True what you said about dual clutches and the 10 speeds. Computers can always change gears quicker than a person but there is something so fun about slaming 6500 rpm shifts in a getrag 6 speed and being in full control of when that happens.

 

[GCATX]

I had a stick about 6 years ago and I got my kids to drive it a bit, hoping they would learn how to drive one. But they never did want to drive it much. Then about 2 years ago (maybe 3), my daughter is in Europe and the group she was with rented a car even though no one could drive a stick. She said it was horrible that none of them could drive it! So she calls me up when she gets back and says she is going to sell her car and buy a stick. She said the only way to learn is to completely immerse herself in it with no other options. She's in Maryland and I travel up that way for work some, about an hour away. So at the end of one of my trips, she picks me up in the morning and we start looking for a car for her. Spent from 9-1 pm looking at various options and settled on a Toyoto Corolla from a CarMax near her. Then I took her to a school parking lot and she practiced from 2-5 pm, trying to learn how to drive the stick. The parking lot had some good slopes in it so she could practice starting from an uphill stopped position. Taught her how to use the hand brake when starting on a slope like that. Then we spent another hour (5-6 pm) driving around a neighborhood so she could practice shifting up and down. Then she took me the airport after that and she was on her own!! She's never looked back and is still driving that stick today! I'm a proud papa on my little girl!!

Good job dad. Sadly, my son hasn't had the joy of driving a stick but he's been through 3 or 4 dirtbikes with a clutch.