Are the Raptor Cabs and Frames the same as a regular F150?

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MagicMtnDan

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All the credit goes to Yukon Joe and Raptorwifey.. I posted it on Facebook to make sure everyone can benefit from this visit...

-Greg (aka squatting dog)


The visit with Ford resulted in some very interesting and useful information and I'd like to thank those who made it possible!

Now, please post the information you have on the Facebook page on FRF so (1) the information is here and (2) it's available to those who don't do FB.

Thanks again!

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I don't have the part numbers. When Outlaw called up Ford to try and get a new cab for my rolled truck, Ford replied with something like "We do not have any and one would have to pull one from production." At which point it was pretty much said they would not do. Connor found out when he rolled RSV1 that the electronics did not match up from the regular F150 to the Raptor and they spent hours reworking the electronics to make it work. For my truck, he ordered Raptor doors because it ended up being cheaper.


This thread topic is very interesting BigJ - thanks for starting it.

At the risk of stating the obvious, I'd like to add some comments to this subject/thread and speculate a bit too. I'm not entirely sure of the reason this subject came up - I assume it's simply a very interesting topic, one that is very relevant to all Raptor owners which alone makes it a very worthwhile discussion even if firm (confirmed by Ford) answers are not arrived at.

* I assume that the Ford F150 and the Raptor are mostly very similar.
* I assume they use the same frame. But there's a chance they don't. And if they don't the differences may not be done on the production line (I assume they wouldn't be) since JIT (Just In Time) manufacturing (lots to read about JIT - here's a good starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_in_time_(business) ) would enable Raptor-specific frames to join the production line in spots allocated to Raptor production. Picture parts flowing to each vehicle on the line - each vehicle gets the right parts in the right color, etc.
* Raptor weighs more than an "equivalent" F150 - that makes sense. The wheels and tires alone (5 of them) add a good amount of weight and the extra width and other gear adds the rest of the weight.
* I assume the cabs are the same and the differences are added inside.
* Electronics are going to be different due to things like Hill Descent, Rear Locker, Upfitter Switches, etc., etc. I assume the wiring harnesses are the same and would allow for these additional items/components to be plugged in (added on). But the wiring harnesses could be different too - they also would show up at the production line (either already installed or added on to the vehicle on the line) like all the other parts assembled onto the frame/vehicle.

One can picture the Raptor being built on the line with parts that were designed to be added onto the vehicle's frame which would have been designed to accommodate all of the parts. Manufacturing is all about costs (and efficiencies which drive costs). Compromises are made to vehicle design for many reasons (manufacturability is a huge issue but so are safety, cost and federal standards, etc.).

I hope I added some value to this conversation. I realize that I assumed and speculated but they're based on my knowledge and dealings with the auto makers and my experience in manufacturing plants.

I'm certainly interested to learn the facts if we can get more of them.
 

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So unless I missed something I thought I would throw this out there.

Nothing close to saying this is or isn't true but what if they had changed just like the frame did? So when asking svt was it just the new model truck that are the same but the old ones were not? That could be the case. Don't see why they would start with a few extra layers and pull them out but maybe just maybe they did so they didn't have to add extra time for making different cabs. Also seeing how svt says the raptor is always evolving maybe before the frame beef up they beefed up the cab thinking it was a weak spot but swapped to the frame after some real world experience by owners.

Not saying anything is true by any means but the frame was switched and if it wasn't asked about the first years there could be a possibility.
 

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It is on FRF and Facebook. For everyone's enjoyment.. I will put it on the AARP website for you, Dan... Lol

-Greg (aka squatting dog)



Funny but (my rant against FB goes here - another time maybe)...

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As for AARP - I'm not there yet but this pretty much sums up how I feel about them...

http://sellingoutusa.blogspot.com/2009/11/aarp-sucks.html

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And this will be me (HA HA)...

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So unless I missed something I thought I would throw this out there.

Nothing close to saying this is or isn't true but what if they had changed just like the frame did? So when asking svt was it just the new model truck that are the same but the old ones were not? That could be the case. Don't see why they would start with a few extra layers and pull them out but maybe just maybe they did so they didn't have to add extra time for making different cabs. Also seeing how svt says the raptor is always evolving maybe before the frame beef up they beefed up the cab thinking it was a weak spot but swapped to the frame after some real world experience by owners.

Not saying anything is true by any means but the frame was switched and if it wasn't asked about the first years there could be a possibility.

As the Q&A session was ending, Joe and I scanned the questions to see if there was anything left people would really want to see an answer to. Then we approached Jamal and asked. The question was not poised on the different model years, just a simple, "people have speculated that the roof of the cab is reinforced?" He said "no its the same cab as the f150".... Sorry we couldn't have a more thorough discussion on it.

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I wouldn't think having different cabs (specifically for the Raptor) makes sense from Ford's point of view. That would be five types of cabs (reg S-Crew, reg S-Cab, single cab, reinf. S-Crew, reinf. S-Cab) to keep track of on the line vs three. For logistics, config management, tooling that would be harder (ie more expensive) to do. With bean counters being they way they are, it seems very unlikely.

SVT mentioned that the frame was indeed reinforced, so if they cab had been I don't know why they would have said so.
 

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Also brought this question up to another SVT guy standing near me (forgot his name) His response was that the cabs on all f150 were the same to meet ever stringent standards for a vehicle roof deformation test. Which the redesigned F150 meets and exceeds NHTSA 44-03 (something like that) dynamic rollover test and IIHS static roof deformation test where the F150 exceeds their requirements.

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For my money, I think this issue is settled. My own research beforehand had me fairly convinced they were the same, and now with 'those who know' confirming it as well as quoting DOT regulations for safety as reasons why... case closed.

Thanks YJ and RW (and Greg) for your efforts on this. Good stuff.
 

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We didn't get a chance to ask if the frame was the same as an F150, but by judging other answers and the presentation, they are most likely the same.

SVT stated that the could only engineer the very specific things that make a Raptor a Raptor. Everything else is brought over from the F150. That is also why they said they are not considering any other Raptor style vehicles, they need a base to build from.

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