GEN 2 Anyone tried Roush Performance Packages???

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Update: So, when I called the dealer (Evergreen Ford in Issaquah, WA) they seemed confused when I asked for the Roush level 1 kit. Even though they are a Roush certified dealership. Someone ended up taking a message and calling me back. The guy told me that they couldn’t actually install the Roush level 1 package (airbox and tune) without voiding the warranty. They said this was because it’s not passed Emissions tests in states that coincide w California, which I gather Washington must be one of. He said this usually takes 3-6 months and that he will call me when it gets cleared. I’ve since been looking at tuners from other providers, they seem to be posting bigger HP and Torque numbers vs Roush. Maybe I need to look into options there, but I’m still nervous about the warranty.

It will void your warranty... so if you are like me, wait until your warranty is expired and then tune it

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

 

[Specialtyperformanceparts]

It will void your warranty... so if you are like me, wait until your warranty is expired and then tune it

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

The Roush power pac doesn’t void your warranty. Roush backs it with a 3/36 warranty... (see screen shot)
But, he is right that California Certification isn’t done yet. CARB is very difficult to get certified for.

 

[DaveRseattle]

Haha. Mine too!

 

[MileHighMike]

Few questions on this as well. First, how does the Roush tune compare to other tunes? And with pack 2, how does the exhaust sound?

The other is When I was at the dealership the other day, I was talking with the body shop guy about tunes. He was saying that Ford has a list of certain companies that can do tunes and work, and that it will not void the warranty at all. Roush being one of these. But you guys are saying it does. I also bought the 8 year extended warranty, so just 3/36 from Roush seems like would still wipe away most of what I purchased...

 

[Specialtyperformanceparts]

Few questions on this as well. First, how does the Roush tune compare to other tunes? And with pack 2, how does the exhaust sound?

The other is When I was at the dealership the other day, I was talking with the body shop guy about tunes. He was saying that Ford has a list of certain companies that can do tunes and work, and that it will not void the warranty at all. Roush being one of these. But you guys are saying it does. I also bought the 8 year extended warranty, so just 3/36 from Roush seems like would still wipe away most of what I purchased...

If you refer to some of my previous posts in this thread and this, hopefully it should put you at ease. I can give you this as my background. I worked for Ford for 20 years. I sold Roush vehicles at a Ford dealership as well as Roush parts for 11 years. I now work direct with Roush and train their dealership.
there is a lot of misinformation out there pertaining to warranty. Some is based on fact on something, but not on another.

So, what you heard is sort of right. This is one of the issues even some dealership personnel don’t understand. This is some of what I cover when I train Ford/Roush dealers.

Roush is a key engineering supplier for Ford Motor company. They build motors for Ford, Superchargers, put together fixes for recall issues sometimes, etc. To Ford, they are in the circle of trust. By engineering standards, they also follow the same safety guidelines and have access to the same engineering equipment. However, Ford only warranties their own stock components for defect and failure.
Here is the key though. Ford will
Not and cannot legally void your warranty for modifying your vehicle. Period. They can though, deny a claim. Just like medical insurance. They can say, this prescription isn’t covered, but these others are. Why would they be able to deny a claim? Because they determine the aftermarket component caused an item to fail.
Now, to come to that determination on a Roush component is less likely than say a bullydog tune. They can still deny either if they feel it wasn’t their fault.
Here are the key takeaways though..
1: It is less likely to have an issue with a Roush upgrade vs someone else simply because of the engineering behind it. It’s the same engineering and safety that is used for Ford direct.
2: if you do have a failure that is connected to the Roush component and Ford does deny the claim, Roush will step in for the 3/36 warranty.

Your last concern was your 8 year Ford ESP warranty. Again, regardless of what you hear out there which is also very mixed, Ford ESP specifically states it does not cover Roush, Saleen, or Shelby American as well as all other “Modified” vehicles. Here is the thing though. The only time you’d expect a denied claim again, is if the failed component was not Ford or was associated to the non Ford part. Many dealerships though have ignorantly sold Ford ESP on New Roush vehicles without even reading the details. It’s actually stunning how uniformed many dealerships really are about the products they sell.

So, you have a couple options. If you put anything at all on your vehicle, your ESP coverage will not be 100% compliant, but it also won’t be useless.
You can cancel your Ford ESP and get a like warranty through a company Roush has contracted with for the same coverage and that would also without question cover any Roush component the full term. 8 years or however long you choose. If you want info on that warranty, just send me a message.

The last thing I think you wanted to know was does the Roush power pack make as much power as other companies. In some cases as much, in others less. The key though isn’t about just making more power. It’s about making safe dependable power. You don’t want to break things. So for peace of mind, I’d recommend the Roush Power pack. I’ve driven many Raptors and other vehicles with them. They run and drive just like oem, but with more power. Many aftermarket tunes lose the clean drivability after a tune.

in addition to training Roush dealers (which I agreed to with Roush at their request from my 20 years experience with Ford and 11 with Roush at the dealership level) I also have a web store (hence the name SPVparts) Where you can purchase the power pack and many other items. Just visit spvparts.com

I hope this helps.

John

 

[Fordraptorrrrrrrr]

I'm thinking that I'll be doing this in the future. At some point I really want to get to the 500+ hp point along with the associated tq. With as many headaches as I've heard with our Raptor engines the Rousch seems the most logical for someone like me with under 11k on the clock. If I have an issue I can just let Ford deal with it, the extra money this system costs over other Tuners to me is worth the peace of mind.

 

[MetalDaze]

Update: So, when I called the dealer (Evergreen Ford in Issaquah, WA) they seemed confused when I asked for the Roush level 1 kit. Even though they are a Roush certified dealership. Someone ended up taking a message and calling me back. The guy told me that they couldn’t actually install the Roush level 1 package (airbox and tune) without voiding the warranty. They said this was because it’s not passed Emissions tests in states that coincide w California, which I gather Washington must be one of. He said this usually takes 3-6 months and that he will call me when it gets cleared. I’ve since been looking at tuners from other providers, they seem to be posting bigger HP and Torque numbers vs Roush. Maybe I need to look into options there, but I’m still nervous about the warranty.

Try Bickford Ford in Snohomish. It would be interesting if another dealer in WA gives you the same answer. I’ve never heard of us held to CA restrictions - although it wouldn’t shock me.

 

[Silatj]

Hey guys I’m new here but got a 20 screw a week ago. Asked the dealer about the roush power pack he said they order and install them. Asked about my extended warranty he said it would not void it just my 2 cents

 

[John Rathjen]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Whipple kit has CARB certification for 2015-2018. Not sure if they have the 2019-2020 cert yet

 

[Rddakota]

If you refer to some of my previous posts in this thread and this, hopefully it should put you at ease. I can give you this as my background. I worked for Ford for 20 years. I sold Roush vehicles at a Ford dealership as well as Roush parts for 11 years. I now work direct with Roush and train their dealership.
there is a lot of misinformation out there pertaining to warranty. Some is based on fact on something, but not on another.

So, what you heard is sort of right. This is one of the issues even some dealership personnel don’t understand. This is some of what I cover when I train Ford/Roush dealers.

Roush is a key engineering supplier for Ford Motor company. They build motors for Ford, Superchargers, put together fixes for recall issues sometimes, etc. To Ford, they are in the circle of trust. By engineering standards, they also follow the same safety guidelines and have access to the same engineering equipment. However, Ford only warranties their own stock components for defect and failure.
Here is the key though. Ford will
Not and cannot legally void your warranty for modifying your vehicle. Period. They can though, deny a claim. Just like medical insurance. They can say, this prescription isn’t covered, but these others are. Why would they be able to deny a claim? Because they determine the aftermarket component caused an item to fail.
Now, to come to that determination on a Roush component is less likely than say a bullydog tune. They can still deny either if they feel it wasn’t their fault.
Here are the key takeaways though..
1: It is less likely to have an issue with a Roush upgrade vs someone else simply because of the engineering behind it. It’s the same engineering and safety that is used for Ford direct.
2: if you do have a failure that is connected to the Roush component and Ford does deny the claim, Roush will step in for the 3/36 warranty.

Your last concern was your 8 year Ford ESP warranty. Again, regardless of what you hear out there which is also very mixed, Ford ESP specifically states it does not cover Roush, Saleen, or Shelby American as well as all other “Modified” vehicles. Here is the thing though. The only time you’d expect a denied claim again, is if the failed component was not Ford or was associated to the non Ford part. Many dealerships though have ignorantly sold Ford ESP on New Roush vehicles without even reading the details. It’s actually stunning how uniformed many dealerships really are about the products they sell.

So, you have a couple options. If you put anything at all on your vehicle, your ESP coverage will not be 100% compliant, but it also won’t be useless.
You can cancel your Ford ESP and get a like warranty through a company Roush has contracted with for the same coverage and that would also without question cover any Roush component the full term. 8 years or however long you choose. If you want info on that warranty, just send me a message.

The last thing I think you wanted to know was does the Roush power pack make as much power as other companies. In some cases as much, in others less. The key though isn’t about just making more power. It’s about making safe dependable power. You don’t want to break things. So for peace of mind, I’d recommend the Roush Power pack. I’ve driven many Raptors and other vehicles with them. They run and drive just like oem, but with more power. Many aftermarket tunes lose the clean drivability after a tune.

in addition to training Roush dealers (which I agreed to with Roush at their request from my 20 years experience with Ford and 11 with Roush at the dealership level) I also have a web store (hence the name SPVparts) Where you can purchase the power pack and many other items. Just visit spvparts.com

I hope this helps.

John

Great explanation, thanks for clearing things up.


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