A Ford tech's take on "THE CLUNK" (THE ONE and ONLY CLUNK THREAD)

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HoustonRider

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If that guy would have put as much detail on what the "tech" did to his truck as he did on how clean it was when he took it in, I would know what to do and do it myself.

Good info for now. I'll crawl under and see if I can figure out what he means and if I can snug down any bolts I'll let ya know.
 

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FYI the other "CLUNK" threads have been merged with this thread. We absolutely want to hear about member's CLUNK issues and resolutions but we don't need several threads on the topic! Thanks- BIRDMAN
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So by now, most have heard of this horrific and potentially life threatening issue called H.I. ......er, The Clunk. I'm surprised I haven't seen the million threads on it here like another place but, that's a good thing. However, I know there will be, or are, people here who wonder about it. I am a certified Ford tech, even though I actually work as a mechanic for the city now, but have gone through Ford's program and have plenty of credentials and experience working on them at the dealer, just so you know that I'm not some regular dude on here telling you what he thinks about it.

What is it? - A few possibilties have been presented but what most scenarios and symptoms point to is the driveshaft slip yoke, it's that long floppy neck that slips into the back of the transfer case. It has splines inside of it that slip over the splines of the transfer case's output shaft. This area needs grease because it's constantly moving back and forth with even the slightest up down motion of the rear suspension......causing the the axle to go up and down and change angle a bit and so forth. There's a tight seal that it slips into and helps keep everything nice and clean inside. It will also keep somewhat of a vacuum inside so that when you pull the driveshaft all the way out, it will make a small "pop" sound. No, your driveshaft is not going to slide all the way out driving down the road or even jumping it.

"It's a noise in the rear end" - No, it's not. Should it be the slip yoke (and that's what I'm going on here) it's not in the rear of the vehicle it's in the center of the vehicle. Plus, I just have issue with the term "in the rear end"....not because of some traumatic childhood event but because "in the rear end" means the differential or axles. A whining ring and pinion or clutch packs chattering, those are noises in the rear end. The slip yoke may sound like it's "coming from the rear of the vehicle". So when people start throwing out that Raptor's make noises in the rear end, it gives the perception that Raptor's are having differential issues and such.....not the case. (except for the bad batch of axles that made they're way into some first run 5.4 trucks)

"I can't believe I paid $50k for this, Ford and SVT should be ashamed of themselves for not designing the Raptor better" - It is not Raptor specific! This issue has been an issue on F150's since '04, even some other models have had it like Expedition's and even Explorer's. There has been a TSB (technical service bulletin....not a recall) for yeeeaaarrr's. Although I will admit, I wish Ford would have found out what to do about it by now.

"Everyone has it" - Umm, no, not everyone has it. I have a '10 6.2 Super Cab with almost 19k miles.....I don't have have it.....and neither do alot of people.

"Is it on Super Cabs or Crew Cabs?" - Both. '10 and '11. and '09, '08, '07, '06.....see where I'm going with this?

"Does it affect performance?" - No. Some think that it's just grinding away and shaving the splines off, not the case. If anything, there may be very small flakes of nickle coating. Ford says to replace the driveshaft if that happens but do not worry, it is not "hurting" anything. Now I'm no engineer and I'm sure that if it was something simple, Ford would've figured it out by now. Maybe just a loud pop of grease (remember that vacuum?) or could be something else. But don't worry about it decreasing hp or causing the driveshaft and transfer case to fail, not gonna happen.

"What was this TSB about?" - It called for the driveshaft to be taken out and some new grease to be applied inside, that's it.

"I had the TSB done and it came back" - You and other's. But guess what? Some have had the TSB and it didn't come back. It's been a straight fix for some and just a band-aid for others. But remember, not everyone has it.

"But I really do have other noises going on" - Could be other things like the weight by the spare tire coming loose, could be the shock's fluid popping through the bypass ports (more normal when it's cold out.....I live in AZ., it's never happened to me). But most of the scenarios have been when coming to a stop or accelerating from a stop......that's drivetrain related, shocks would be practiacally all the time.


These are just some of the things I see being talked about and wanted to address with my experience. If anyone has any other questions about it, just ask.:005:

I LOVE YOU MAN!...... lol thanks for the info. I feel so much better now.... mauhaha :crazy:
 

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So my dad and I were out on the driveway this afternoon enjoying the nice sunny day here in Michigan and got the crawlers out and looked everywhere under the truck and could not locate any flange which would be loose. However, we did monkey around a bit with things and made some observations. I got in the truck and started her up. Held the brakes and did a wheel stand just short of spinning the tires. I then put it in reverse and my dad observed quite the angle change on the driveshaft/differential assembly. We switched positions and wow, does that angle really change. I know I have read on many threads talking about axle wrap and I really beleive this plays a big roll in the 'clunk'. I notice the clunk mostly after switching directions (like backing out of the driveway) or coming to a hard stop and then starting off again (like at a stoplight). I really think the clunk is partially due to the the wraping of the axle and the sudden change in angle when taking off again. It is probably the slip yolk moving due to the sudden change in angle and this is why the lube job fixes it by giving some resistance to the change in angle and movement of the yolk. I am not a mechanical genius and this is just my observations and thoughts.

Has anyone else observed this and what do you think? What about using a dampner/torsion bar which would attach to the front of the differential and help limit the drastic change in angle?

Again, just my two cents worth.
 

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My truck is going to be a camera vehicle and this is a huge issue for me... I haven't felt it yet but I hope its not something bad enough to where the truck can't go to work. Are there any other mods to help prevent axle wrap?
 

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My truck is going to be a camera vehicle and this is a huge issue for me... I haven't felt it yet but I hope its not something bad enough to where the truck can't go to work. Are there any other mods to help prevent axle wrap?

It apparently won't change performance or leave you stranded, I wouldn't worry about that...

Its just that some people (myself included) do not expect this type of issue to not be corrected (apparently since 2004, as I hear it now). New car, old car, first car, last car, cheapest car, most expensive car, zero monthly payment, paid in full, etc..... doesn't matter.

In the last 8 vehicles i've owned in the last 4 years, this one (2011 Ford Raptor SVT Crew) tops the list in # of issues within the first 1,000....first 2,000 and first 3,000 miles.

Some guys on here are ok with it and just say "I hear it and I don't care, I'm just glad I don't have to ride the bus anymore".... others recognize that this isn't normal for a new vehicle at ANY price..... ANY.

Will Ford fix it? IDK.... if its be going on for 7 years, why is it only coming to their attention now?
 

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It apparently won't change performance or leave you stranded, I wouldn't worry about that...

Its just that some people (myself included) do not expect this type of issue to not be corrected (apparently since 2004, as I hear it now). New car, old car, first car, last car, cheapest car, most expensive car, zero monthly payment, paid in full, etc..... doesn't matter.

In the last 8 vehicles i've owned in the last 4 years, this one (2011 Ford Raptor SVT Crew) tops the list in # of issues within the first 1,000....first 2,000 and first 3,000 miles.

Some guys on here are ok with it and just say "I hear it and I don't care, I'm just glad I don't have to ride the bus anymore".... others recognize that this isn't normal for a new vehicle at ANY price..... ANY.

Will Ford fix it? IDK.... if its be going on for 7 years, why is it only coming to their attention now?

Not to disagree as much as offer something else to be considered... If axle wrap is occurring - it stresses the U-joint. Having had to repair around 20 of them on the trail in other vehicles, I can say that it definately can get you stranded if you don't have a replacement handy.
Mine has virtually gone away by itself recently, and while puzzling - it's nice to be able to hammer the gas and not hear the sound.

I have a feeling Ford is looking into the tranny on this issue, but no one will know until thier TSB comes out regarding this. I think it's safe to say Ford is well aware and probably spending mucho denaro researching the problem and fix. Recalls are expensive, so I'm guessing they're doing their homework on this one.
 
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Just to put my two cents in on what I experienced today...after dealing with this problem for the last 400 miles(started at about 800 miles and having 1200 miles on the truck starting this morning) I said f#%k it and took it off road and drove the **** out of it. After a few miles of pedal to the metal off roading, I got back on pavement and to my surprise it stopped doing the clunk. Drove around in town for a few more miles and couldn't get it to do it. Went back home, the truck sat for a few hours, and I took it out again. It started the clunk again upon taking off and did it several times again but it did stop again. Just thought I would post this to put out more info on the problem. By the way my truck is a 2011 Raptor Screw.
 
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