3.5 Raptor Ecoboost vs 5.0 Nightmare?

[MikeEby]

I for one (Probably the only one) wish Ford made a Raptor in a standard cab. Apparently someone else did to because they made this GEN1 SCSB Raptor Clone on Ebay I saw a few weeks ago. Doesn't look like they went the extra mile on the suspension. Jumped in full feet on the engine though.



Mike

 

[Predator]

All those mods and it still won't have the Raptor frame, among many, many other things. Not worth it. Just get the Raptor and mod it. My $0.02.

 

[Gsteve]

The answer is yes. I'll concede on the warranty part, but you have to pay to play and that wasn't one of the OPs requirements.

whipple - 7,400, another 12-1500ish to install, call it 9k total.

https://whipplesuperchargers.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=220

646rwhp and 19+mpgs

https://www.f150forum.com/f123/646-rwhp-f-150-a-361594/index21/

so only a 300hp advantage...

16.5 inches of travel - 5,900

BOLT Front Suspension Kit - RPG Offroad

deavers - ~1300 or Raptor take offs for what, 2-300 bucks?

coilovers / shocks - ~4,500 if you have to buy new, cheaper if you troll the forum for sale threads...

Fox 3.0 Factory Coil-Over Int Bypass + 3.0 Reservoir Set 10-16 F-150 Raptor 4WD | eBay

so roughly 21k in parts (and labor for supercharger install) for all new. installing control arms is a couple hour job at most in the driveway for anyone that is even remotely capable. Not to mention you'll recoup some money selling all the new parts you took off. fenders are cheap, like 400 bucks, easily covered by what you recoup.

lets go with 21k all in.

you can EASILY beat that cost using Raptor take off arms, by like over 4 grand.


Now all you have to do is find a truck. TrueCar lists 42k as the average price paid (with incentives) in my area (DC) for a new 2017 screw lariat 4x4 with the 5.0

42 + 21 = 63 - but that is if you go big on the front suspension. You can use Raptor take off arms with resi / adjuster 3.0s and still outperform a stock raptor and save about 4k.

so 59k gets you a smidge better suspension and 300 more hp.

Of course if you buy a demo 17 or a low miler, you drop into the 30s.

Like I said, yes, you can build a Raptor killer cheaper than you can buy a Raptor.

You gen 2 guys act like Raptor's have't been around since 2010. This conversation has been had only about 500 times.

For reference, my scab is the black raptor Ian drove on xtreme4x4 for his half price Raptor build - back in 2011 when only 5 or 6 of these conversations had been covered.

Edit: forgot tie rods & axles but only another ~1k unless you use Raptor take offs, then at worst 500 - again covered by what you sell.

youre missing lots of things there , wheels , tires , flares , paint but the biggest of all .... resale. At the end of all that you have a truck that will for sure beat a raptor but still isnt one. Add to that once its a few years old you wont get a nickel for all that extra work. Thats where the raptor makes decent financial sense , it holds it value well , better by a huge margin than any truck made.

 

[WarSurfer]

I for one (Probably the only one) wish Ford made a Raptor in a standard cab. Apparently someone else did to because they made this GEN1 SCSB Raptor Clone on Ebay I saw a few weeks ago. Doesn't look like they went the extra mile on the suspension. Jumped in full feet on the engine though.



Mike

You aren't the only one. I wish 'Raptor' was a package that could be applied to whatever other config you liked. IE a King Ranch Raptor, etc. just make it a drivetrain & suspension package (with body panels).

I would LOVE a stripper Raptor Regular cab.

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youre missing lots of things there , wheels , tires , flares , paint but the biggest of all .... resale. At the end of all that you have a truck that will for sure beat a raptor but still isnt one. Add to that once its a few years old you wont get a nickel for all that extra work. Thats where the raptor makes decent financial sense , it holds it value well , better by a huge margin than any truck made.

You'd be surprised at what you can get if you know where to market it. It won't be as easy to sell for a decent price, I'll give you that but there are plenty of folks that want a toy and don't want to do the leg work. No it won't have Raptor resale, but if didn't start with the Raptor tax, you don't need it.

Like I said, the extras would be more than covered with sale of whatever you take off the truck - if starting with a new truck or relatively new. If starting with a high mile junker then all bets are off, but you also don't have anywhere near the entrance fee.

You can't build a Raptor, but you can build a desert toy with the same creature comforts.

Had I started with a non Raptor and spent the same money as I have in mine (total cost to total cost) I'd have much more truck than I have now.

 

[psufan]

While I don't disagree that you can build a more capable truck than the raptor for the price paid (mine was 66,2xx @ MSRP), I think some of your numbers and logic are a bit off. First of all, the poverty spec lariat is 47.5k in a SCREW w/ the v8. However, if you load it out the same way an 802a SCREW/Tech raptor is loaded, it's 60,500. Now obviously, there are rebates and discounts on Lariats, so you aren't paying 60,500, but it's not going to be 42k. I could have bought a 800a raptor with no options and had a really nice truck (more similar to your 42k lariat) for 54,065 (mine is a 2018, so I used 2018 prices for both).

Now don't get me wrong, if your goal is off-road performance and you don't care about interior comfort, warranty, day to day livability, and resale, absolutely you can destroy a raptor by buying a used truck, or building up an XL with bench seats and roll up windows (they still have those don't they)? If you really plan to go all out, going that route makes the most sense honestly. Why start with a new truck that you are going to screw up on the trail / dunes.

With that being said, I think the raptor is so desirable because it's a full complete factory package at a level that really isn't available anywhere else (you could make the argument for the powerwagon, which really had a different purpose, and a ZR2). And it honestly drives damn well on the street...

Edit: I will also say that if you are going to buy a raptor and then spend 20k upgrading it anyway, you should probably go the lariat route lol.

 

[WarSurfer]

Literally the first thing that popped up when I searched 2017 f150 5.0 4x4. These are ADVERTISED prices which means you could still get more off. The first is a demo ecoboost but the dollar difference is less than 500$.

I said 2017 from the beginning.

 

[SilverBolt]

Myself if I were to build a desert toy/daily driver I would search for a wrecked donor truck as my base. All you need is a good cab and decent frame. Most all of the rest will be replaced. Those saying it won't have a Raptor frame, no big deal. Very easy to strengthen a standard F150 well beyond a factory Raptor frame. It would be a fun build.

 

[WarSurfer]

Myself if I were to build a desert toy/daily driver I would search for a wrecked donor truck as my base. All you need is a good cab and decent frame. Most all of the rest will be replaced. Those saying it won't have a Raptor frame, no big deal. Very easy to strengthen a standard F150 well beyond a factory Raptor frame. It would be a fun build.

If logic and common sense were involved, yes. I'm guilty of 'needing' a Raptor and I paid more than my share of Raptor tax because of it.

 

[SilverBolt]

If logic and common sense were involved, yes. I'm guilty of 'needing' a Raptor and I paid more than my share of Raptor tax because of it.

Likely 99% of all Raptor owners including myself fall into this category. I need a truck, I want a Raptor.

 

[zmw]

if the question is can you build a raptor beater for raptor money - yes, but you can't build a raptor beater equipped like my 802a +tech +sunroof, +etc, etc because you'd be starting with a platinum, or fully jacked lariat.

The reality is if you want to go fast off road, you could do much better than starting with an F150, if you want to rock crawl you could do much better than an F150.

The truth is you could start with a beater tacoma, do a 2J swap, marlin R154, full long travel with bed rack and be in for way less than the cost of a raptor.

This is the whole argument of well I can build it cheaper... yes you can always build it cheaper, and when you're done - no one will want it the way you built it so you're faced with taking it apart or selling it for regular values.

If you're that hell bent on a v8, why not get a 14, and super charge it - have a bit of the best of both worlds, yes you're starting with a 10 year old platform, but it'll do all of what you need.