2019 DEPRECIATION

[Muchmore]

I went and did a little research to see just how much the Raptor is deprecating in comparison to Chevy, Ram and Toyota. As is suspected, the Raptor held its own - as usual.

How dare you confuse this conversation with facts!! Shame, shame, shame.

 

[Halo Raptor]

Who in the F bought their Raptor as an investment...lol... They are a big pile of shit that has tons of problems like almost every other car. But who cares, they are 100 times more fun than driving anything else out there. Accept the downfalls or mystical depreciation and go out there and enjoy the damn truck instead of worrying how much they are now, or how much someone else paid for theirs etc... I paid more for my 17, than I can prob get a 19 for, but I can give 2 *****.

 

[JerseyMike]

I came from a bunch of wranglers and swapped fairly frequently (had 2 JLs). Have had F150s before though....while everything depreciates I think the raptor at least holds its value better than most (I'm not expecting residual values like the wranglers though).

I bought my 2019 for a bit over 56k (stickered for 59) and trade in on Edmunds says 48k so a big hit but could be much worse and will probably hold most of its value for the next year or two. certainly holds value better than sedans and even other pickup trucks.

 

[HoldenTX]

I always like a discussion to be founded on facts - does anyone have a reliable source of information that shows what Raptor production numbers have been each year since inception?
Like others have stated - Ford is in business to make money. They serve the shareholders - who have purchased shares in the hopes of making money.
If you haven't read the headlines this year, you may know that Ford is not performing well financially - so an easy way to address this would be to sell more product!

But that being said - even with Gen 2 there are a bazillion stories on this forum of people who waited months to get their ride because of limited dealer allocations. It certainly seems true that some dealers have more allocation than they can find buyers for today - but that could also be because the buyer market it drying up versus producing more vehicles. And if you haven't read - that is an industry-wide issue right now - too many cars and not enough buyers. Too many people taking out 7+ year car notes which means they are upside down for MUCH longer and can't afford to trade in and get something new.

 

[gtbguy]

too many cars and not enough buyers. Too many people taking out 7+ year car notes which means they are upside down for MUCH longer and can't afford to trade in and get something new.

You nailed it on this one, 7+ year car loans are exactly what the car dealers just love. Trained sales people are really good at finding buyers for these loans. I haven't had a car loan in over 23 years and I couldn't even imagine paying $1,000+ per month for a frickin' car/truck.

 

[Shane Durkopp]

I was curious on mine, so I just checked KBB for trade in value of mine with 6k miles and it's more than what I paid for the truck. Not that it represents actual data, but interesting.

 

[ME120]

I always like a discussion to be founded on facts - does anyone have a reliable source of information that shows what Raptor production numbers have been each year since inception?
Like others have stated - Ford is in business to make money. They serve the shareholders - who have purchased shares in the hopes of making money.
If you haven't read the headlines this year, you may know that Ford is not performing well financially - so an easy way to address this would be to sell more product!

But that being said - even with Gen 2 there are a bazillion stories on this forum of people who waited months to get their ride because of limited dealer allocations. It certainly seems true that some dealers have more allocation than they can find buyers for today - but that could also be because the buyer market it drying up versus producing more vehicles. And if you haven't read - that is an industry-wide issue right now - too many cars and not enough buyers. Too many people taking out 7+ year car notes which means they are upside down for MUCH longer and can't afford to trade in and get something new.

I can't give you the exact numbers but supposedly ford produces or sells 1 raptor for every ten F 150's sold/made. That would equal APPROXIMATELY 40,000 to 50,000 raptors per year. Again this is second hand information. In any event, the low depreciation value and value retainage of the raptor is now all but gone since ford decided to flood the market with GEN. 2 raptors and end the SVT division, which was true specialty built GEN. 1 raptors. There is a reason why the GEN. 1 raptors hold their value better.

As far as Ford being in financial trouble, that is really sad to hear. I feel since 2015 Ford has been " killing it" with their performance cars and the entire truck/Suv division. They have done a great job with the explorer/expedition/navigator/aviator. Shame to hear they are in financial trouble. That is usually not a good sign and leads to manufacturers cutting corners to make up the difference, like Chrysler often does.

It really makes you wonder why Toyota/Lexus IS never in financial trouble and they continue to be the largest automobile producer in the world, while making high quality cars and trucks. I really think the big 3 should start really paying attention to how toyota does business, because we are do for another economic slow down and I would hate to see any of the big 3 throw up the white flag again like what happened in 2008-2009 with GM and Chrysler and the tax payer bailout.

But I guess this explains why Ford and GM have spent time visiting the legendary toyota car manufacturing plants in Japan.

 

[gtbguy]

I can't give you the exact numbers but supposedly ford produces or sells 1 raptor for every ten F 150's sold/made. That would equal APPROXIMATELY 40,000 to 50,000 raptors per year. Again this is second hand information. In any event, the low depreciation value and value retainage of the raptor is now all but gone since ford decided to flood the market with GEN. 2 raptors and end the SVT division, which was true specialty built GEN. 1 raptors. There is a reason why the GEN. 1 raptors hold their value better.

As far as Ford being in financial trouble, that is really sad to hear. I feel since 2015 Ford has been " killing it" with their performance cars and the entire truck/Suv division. They have done a great job with the explorer/expedition/navigator/aviator. Shame to hear they are in financial trouble. That is usually not a good sign and leads to manufacturers cutting corners to make up the difference, like Chrysler often does.

It really makes you wonder why Toyota/Lexus IS never in financial trouble and they continue to be the largest automobile producer in the world, while making high quality cars and trucks. I really think the big 3 should start really paying attention to how toyota does business, because we are do for another economic slow down and I would hate to see any of the big 3 throw up the white flag again like what happened in 2008-2009 with GM and Chrysler and the tax payer bailout.

But I guess this explains why Ford and GM have spent time visiting the legendary toyota car manufacturing plants in Japan.

American engineers don't perform the same testing the Japanese do, sad to say. I worked in the nuclear industry in Japan for 2 1/2 years so I saw first had how they conduct business. The Japanese test the **** out of everything to the "nth" degree. They won't put anything out unless its been completely tested. Unfortunately, the accidents they've experienced are not engineering related but instead "skipping necessary steps".

 

[ME120]

American engineers don't perform the same testing the Japanese do, sad to say. I worked in the nuclear industry in Japan for 2 1/2 years so I saw first had how they conduct business. The Japanese test the **** out of everything to the "nth" degree. They won't put anything out unless its been completely tested. Unfortunately, the accidents they've experienced are not engineering related but instead "skipping necessary steps".

Yep. The plant in Japan where the LX 570 and The Landcruiser are produced is legendary and those 2 vehicles are produced with a 25 year life guarantee. Imagine that. The big difference is that the big 3 only care about volume, where as the toyota and lexus vehicles do not leave the production line until they are 100 percent right. If not right the first time, the vehicle section/part is not accepted by Quality control and it is done over.

 

[4rdFan]

I can't give you the exact numbers but supposedly ford produces or sells 1 raptor for every ten F 150's sold/made. That would equal APPROXIMATELY 40,000 to 50,000 raptors per year. Again this is second hand information. In any event, the low depreciation value and value retainage of the raptor is now all but gone since ford decided to flood the market with GEN. 2 raptors and end the SVT division, which was true specialty built GEN. 1 raptors. There is a reason why the GEN. 1 raptors hold their value better.

As far as Ford being in financial trouble, that is really sad to hear. I feel since 2015 Ford has been " killing it" with their performance cars and the entire truck/Suv division. They have done a great job with the explorer/expedition/navigator/aviator. Shame to hear they are in financial trouble. That is usually not a good sign and leads to manufacturers cutting corners to make up the difference, like Chrysler often does.

It really makes you wonder why Toyota/Lexus IS never in financial trouble and they continue to be the largest automobile producer in the world, while making high quality cars and trucks. I really think the big 3 should start really paying attention to how toyota does business, because we are do for another economic slow down and I would hate to see any of the big 3 throw up the white flag again like what happened in 2008-2009 with GM and Chrysler and the tax payer bailout.

But I guess this explains why Ford and GM have spent time visiting the legendary toyota car manufacturing plants in Japan.

Bit too high on the number of Raptors made per year. Ford makes just under 30k Raptors per year.