Why 700hp instead of 705hp?

[New recaros]

It’s like Rocky movies, we are in Rocky II

 

[melvimbe]

LOL Good point. A pissing match is a bad idea when the house is burning down.

That depends on how much you've been drinking.

 

[melvimbe]

That’s a whole different market. I don’t think the off road trucks will be EV anytime soon. Ford went after Jeep sales hard with the Bronco so fiat or whoever they are now, went after Raptor sales.

Both Rivian and Hummer are marketed as off road trucks. Yes, the lack the range to take you very far off the road, but they certainly are going for the look, which is what most off road folks are going for.

 

[Badgertits]

Also...and let me use the 03/04 Cobra as an example. We are now back into a V8 with a supercharger. 5HP is NOTHING. The 03/04 Terminator was 390hp/390tq and with VERY LITTLE MONEY 500 at the wheel. Full exhaust, pully, tune crazy different vehicle. This was an 8psi supercharger that could push 17psi before you hit crazy heat soak. The aftermarket community is gonna go nuts on this Truck. Then weight savings is pretty significant. It being 5 less is hilarious in my book. It is going to end up being a troll move for sure.

Yeah, but that was w/ a FE block V8 specially made w/ forged internals. I am not as knowledgeable on this new SC 5.2, maybe they also have forged crank & beefed up rods/pistons….I do know it’s an AL block. I also do know that the HO 3.5 EB that’s now exclusive to the Raptor shares forged guts w/ the Ford GT3.5 & I’m sure that has helped w/ reliability/longevity of that engine when it comes to all the people running around w/ boosted tunes adding 50-100rwhp/TQ (myself included)

I have seen some big #s being made outta the GT500, feel like many are going w/ ported blowers or upgrading the blowers too?

Anyhow, could easily ask a similarly rhetorical question to Ram…..wtf did you even bother designing a “1/2 ton” super offroad pickup only to have it wind up weighing between 6500-7000 lbs when they could’ve just revamped the power wagon suspension & dropped the hellcat engine in that lol?!? Loaded TRX weighs 7000 lbs, loaded Gen3 raptor weighs 5700-5900 lbs

600-1100 lbs weight delta….Raptor R could have 50 fewer HP & still have an edge in power:weight ratio AND has 2 extra gears, so they really didn’t need to be cute & call it 705hp

As I already mentioned though I have a feeling it’s underrated, especially since the ttV6 Raptor is making more TQ (in reality, based on stock dyno #s) already than what this Raptor R is being advertised as.

I am scratching my head as to why Ram even bothered launching the TRX as a 1/2 ton platform when it weighs in the 3/4 ton range & they already have the power wagon lol

 

[Badgertits]

Weight difference is 400 lbs but the 37s would compensate for the weight difference. They'll be very close overall but Ford would've advertised scary quick not scary fast if it was going to beat the TRX in straight line performance.

Raptor will be better offroad though likely. If they can keep the Gen3's offroad performance with the extra power, it'll be a really solid package.

Nah bro, the thing is fat as f**k. The curb weight range for a TRX is 6349-7039 lbs, this can be pulled straight off Ram website depending on configuration. C&D’s TRX used in their long term test was a “mid level” equipped truck & their scales show 6,781 lbs. The Raptor on 37”s tops out @ 5,886 lbs (extra weight coming from beefed up mounts/wheels the tires are t that much heavier) w/ the ttV6, ford says the R only gained 100 lbs over that, so call it 5,986 for kicks. So the LEAST weight difference possible between a completely stripped down TRX & a fully loaded all options ticked V8 Raptor is 363 lbs or 463 lbs for the V6

If you compare a loaded Raptor R to a loaded TRX? The weight difference is a staggering 1,053 lbs, or 1,153 lbs for a ttV6!!!!!! And a basic ttV6 raptor 801a no moonroof no 37”s….that weighs 5740 lbs, it has a 1299 lb weight advantage over a loaded TRX!!!!!!!

Oh- & I always back up this stuff w/ receipts to prevent needless back & forth.

So even if the Raptor R isn’t underrated, that extra 2hp on the TRX ain’t gonna help much lol

 

[Dudebrodude]

Nah bro, the thing is fat as f**k. The curb weight range for a TRX is 6349-7039 lbs, this can be pulled straight off Ram website depending on configuration. C&D’s TRX used in their long term test was a “mid level” equipped truck & their scales show 6,781 lbs. The Raptor on 37”s tops out @ 5,886 lbs (extra weight coming from beefed up mounts/wheels the tires are t that much heavier) w/ the ttV6, ford says the R only gained 100 lbs over that, so call it 5,986 for kicks. So the LEAST weight difference possible between a completely stripped down TRX & a fully loaded all options ticked V8 Raptor is 363 lbs or 463 lbs for the V6

If you compare a loaded Raptor R to a loaded TRX? The weight difference is a staggering 1,053 lbs, or 1,153 lbs for a ttV6!!!!!! And a basic ttV6 raptor 801a no moonroof no 37”s….that weighs 5740 lbs, it has a 1299 lb weight advantage over a loaded TRX!!!!!!!

Oh- & I always back up this stuff w/ receipts to prevent needless back & forth.

So even if the Raptor R isn’t underrated, that extra 2hp on the TRX ain’t gonna help much lol

I have a TRX on 37s and it weighed 6650 with full tank of gas, and 200 lbs of gear in it. So apples to apple, that'd be 500 lb difference than the 5950 lb Raptor R. My TRX is loaded outside of adding the Rambar, tire carrier, and steps. Those extra options make up the majority of that additional weight to get to 7,000 lbs.

I'm all for the Raptor R beating the TRX because that just means Ram will release something else to compete and it'll piggy back to Ford again. I just find it hard to believe that it will be faster without Ford capitalizing on it marketing wise. If it were quicker to 60, they'd advertise the hell out of it; even if that meant they were only quicker than the fully optioned out, heaviest version of the TRX.

 

[doodman4321]

It’s like Rocky movies, we are in Rocky II

Can't for Rocky IV in that case!

 

[Dudebrodude]

Nah bro, the thing is fat as f**k. The curb weight range for a TRX is 6349-7039 lbs, this can be pulled straight off Ram website depending on configuration. C&D’s TRX used in their long term test was a “mid level” equipped truck & their scales show 6,781 lbs. The Raptor on 37”s tops out @ 5,886 lbs (extra weight coming from beefed up mounts/wheels the tires are t that much heavier) w/ the ttV6, ford says the R only gained 100 lbs over that, so call it 5,986 for kicks. So the LEAST weight difference possible between a completely stripped down TRX & a fully loaded all options ticked V8 Raptor is 363 lbs or 463 lbs for the V6

If you compare a loaded Raptor R to a loaded TRX? The weight difference is a staggering 1,053 lbs, or 1,153 lbs for a ttV6!!!!!! And a basic ttV6 raptor 801a no moonroof no 37”s….that weighs 5740 lbs, it has a 1299 lb weight advantage over a loaded TRX!!!!!!!

Oh- & I always back up this stuff w/ receipts to prevent needless back & forth.

So even if the Raptor R isn’t underrated, that extra 2hp on the TRX ain’t gonna help much lol

Also, your curb weight comparison for the Raptor is wrong. It's base model curb weights that Ford lists. The Ram curb weights are from base to fully optioned. So a fully loaded Raptor will weigh a couple hundred lbs more. The best way to compare would be against the same options.

There is no denying the TRX's weight, just don't be blind to the fact the difference isn't as drastic as you think.

 

[Badgertits]

Also, your curb weight comparison for the Raptor is wrong. It's base model curb weights that Ford lists. The Ram curb weights are from base to fully optioned. So a fully loaded Raptor will weigh a couple hundred lbs more. The best way to compare would be against the same options.

There is no denying the TRX's weight, just don't be blind to the fact the difference isn't as drastic as you think.

It’s not “wrong” guy it’s off fords website….there ain’t really a “base” raptor to speak of, they’re all fairly well optioned, look @ the description to the left….that 5,886 lbs? It’s for a Raptor w/ the 37” PP….& what else does that come w/? It requires the raptor “high” equipment package which includes all the power everything/upgraded stereo/tailgate appliqué/rear heated seats/convenience package etc, ALL of which comes w/ slight weight penalty, but the Raptor is simply a “lightweight” truck for what it is.

The main/only thing that 5,886 lb curb weight on a 37pp Raptor doesn’t include that could add 100 lbs or whatever would be the twin panel moonroof. Think about that for a minute- the weight doesn’t reflect a “base” Raptor, it’s for one w/ a minimum of $10-11k worth of options lol

Yes the weight difference is that significant. My 2020 mid-range equipped raptor weighs 5700ish lbs fwiw.

 

[Dudebrodude]

It’s not “wrong” guy it’s off fords website….there ain’t really a “base” raptor to speak of, they’re all fairly well optioned, look @ the description to the left….that 5,886 lbs? It’s for a Raptor w/ the 37” PP….& what else does that come w/? It requires the raptor “high” equipment package which includes all the power everything/upgraded stereo/tailgate appliqué/rear heated seats/convenience package etc, ALL of which comes w/ slight weight penalty, but the Raptor is simply a “lightweight” truck for what it is.

The main/only thing that 5,886 lb curb weight on a 37pp Raptor doesn’t include that could add 100 lbs or whatever would be the twin panel moonroof. Think about that for a minute- the weight doesn’t reflect a “base” Raptor, it’s for one w/ a minimum of $10-11k worth of options lol

Yes the weight difference is that significant. My 2020 mid-range equipped raptor weighs 5700ish lbs fwiw.

No reason to get upset. To your point though, there is additional weight for options to be added to that 5,886 lb curb weight. So a high package, 37 raptor with moonroof, its right about 6,000 lbs which would put the R around 6,100 lbs. My TRX has the moonroof as well as the Level 2 package which includes all the same stuff and weighs 6450, on 37s. So I actually over estimated by 50 lbs from my original point if we are comparing same option trucks.

The Raptor R is 350 lbs less than a comparably optioned TRX with the added weight of 37s. Wouldn't exactly call that lightweight for either.