Who’s sold their Gen 1 during this market and hates the decision they made?

[Frogger22]

So you admit that the fob is much more convenient...why do you still like a traditional ignition key over push button start?

It’s the ultimate example of fixing something not broken. My motorcycle is a keyless fob and throws errors all the time which is super annoying and I’d rather it just had a key also on bikes they have keyless gas caps that can fail to open leaving you stranded. You still have to carry either key or fob with you so it really doesn’t add much convenience IMO and it just adds another level of expensive electronics that can break for no gains. A key is a simple and solid solution that could survive an apocalypse. Just why add another failure point and IMO it’s just there to make them more money which I am not a fan of at these prices.

 

[PTYHRD]

So you admit that the fob is much more convenient...why do you still like a traditional ignition key over push button start?

Not sure. I know it doesn’t make sense. But I enjoy having a key to turn over the ignition. But it’s miserable in your pocket.

 

[FordTechOne]

It’s the ultimate example of fixing something not broken. My motorcycle is a keyless fob and throws errors all the time which is super annoying and I’d rather it just had a key also on bikes they have keyless gas caps that can fail to open leaving you stranded. You still have to carry either key or fob with you so it really doesn’t add much convenience IMO and it just adds another level of expensive electronics that can break for no gains. A key is a simple and solid solution that could survive an apocalypse. Just why add another failure point and IMO it’s just there to make them more money which I am not a fan of at these prices.

This is a case of assuming the older design is simpler or more reliable just because it has a mechanical aspect to it. Both systems are simply an input to the BCM.

Push button start is actually simpler and has less failure points. Placing the IA fob in the cup holder accomplishes the same thing as placing a mechanical key in the ignition; the PATS transceiver reads the key. The difference is that with push button start, there is no key blade or lock cylinder to wear out, no ignition switch wiper to wear out, and no key hold in solenoid. So you’re accomplishing the same thing with less moving parts and improved reliability. And of course it’s much more convenient. This is why even some base model vehicles are now with push button start, there are less components.

 

[Jakenbake]

This is a case of assuming the older design is simpler or more reliable just because it has a mechanical aspect to it. Both systems are simply an input to the BCM.

Push button start is actually simpler and has less failure points. Placing the IA fob in the cup holder accomplishes the same thing as placing a mechanical key in the ignition; the PATS transceiver reads the key. The difference is that with push button start, there is no key blade or lock cylinder to wear out, no ignition switch wiper to wear out, and no key hold in solenoid. So you’re accomplishing the same thing with less moving parts and improved reliability. And of course it’s much more convenient. This is why even some base model vehicles are now with push button start, there are less components.

I’ve never hopped out of the truck while running, shut the door, and had it honk at me……..

 

[FordTechOne]

I’ve never hopped out of the truck while running, shut the door, and had it honk at me……..

Ok?

 

[CoronaRaptor]

I’ve never hopped out of the truck while running, shut the door, and had it honk at me……..

Unless you're a stuntman, I wouldn't recommend jumping out of a "running " truck.

 

[Jakenbake]

Ok?

Just a joke that it is annoying.

 

[Jakenbake]

Unless you're a stuntman, I wouldn't recommend jumping out of a "running " truck.

Running, not driving/rolling

 

[Frogger22]

This is a case of assuming the older design is simpler or more reliable just because it has a mechanical aspect to it. Both systems are simply an input to the BCM.

Push button start is actually simpler and has less failure points. Placing the IA fob in the cup holder accomplishes the same thing as placing a mechanical key in the ignition; the PATS transceiver reads the key. The difference is that with push button start, there is no key blade or lock cylinder to wear out, no ignition switch wiper to wear out, and no key hold in solenoid. So you’re accomplishing the same thing with less moving parts and improved reliability. And of course it’s much more convenient. This is why even some base model vehicles are now with push button start, there are less components.

Hey you asked I’m just telling you I have never in my life had problems with keys and I have had many problems with fobs and they haven’t been around me that long. I’ll tell you in the 4Runner with the push button start you could only turn the truck off from engine running. You couldn’t get the electronics to stay on from the engine running which was really stupid if you are on a phone call and you want the electronics to stay on but kill the engine. I have had 2 fob’d vehicles and both had problems with them. When engineering something I’d K.I.S.S. and move on. To me it’s a bad fad that has grown into the industry standard that I don’t care for / I don’t want to pay for / I don’t want to waste my time dealing with. And I know it’s not what you are talking about but they really suck on motorcycles. But that’s the market now and would I stop from buying a new vehicle from that no obviously not, but something isn’t just better because it’s new.

 

[PTYHRD]

And then you have the fob talking to the vehicle at all times in range.