Addictive Desert Designs
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Rusty,
you hit the nail on the head!
hope you get it figured out,
you hit the nail on the head!
hope you get it figured out,
Whipple issues?
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MTF
FRF Addict
I hope this is not getting old, but I went through Ford with buying and installing my Whipple and I do get to keep my 8 year, 125,000, 0 deductable, as long as I do not do any other mods!!!
I also got the upgraded package this includes a larger intercooler and a heat exchanger system that is twice the size of the normal one.
So no issues here.
Also the Raptor is not a street machine like the Lighting was. It's a desert runner!!!
You can get a plain F150 they are easier to modify.
I also got the upgraded package this includes a larger intercooler and a heat exchanger system that is twice the size of the normal one.
So no issues here.
Also the Raptor is not a street machine like the Lighting was. It's a desert runner!!!
You can get a plain F150 they are easier to modify.
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PropDr
FRF Addict
This is starting to get annoying!
Whipple has a system that is proven to work.
After a particular install; it is not working.
Instead of saying that there is a problem with a particular installation some will say that there is a problem with the general system.
The most likely scenario is that the ECU is detecting a problem and is dialing thinks back to protect the engine.
Or the ECU detects that a condition has not been met to allow development of full power.
Look for your abnormality!
Whipple has a system that is proven to work.
After a particular install; it is not working.
Instead of saying that there is a problem with a particular installation some will say that there is a problem with the general system.
The most likely scenario is that the ECU is detecting a problem and is dialing thinks back to protect the engine.
Or the ECU detects that a condition has not been met to allow development of full power.
Look for your abnormality!
beerhasvitamins
Member
Im going to look for a vac leak tomorrow, no time today.
A different tune is not an option...this is ford racings tune and will be the safest tune to exist for the Whipple. The warranty still exists and I bought the extra warranty from Whipple as well. As for the cutouts, the tune is able to compensate for changes to the exhaust short of long tube headers. I asked all these questions when I ordered the kit from Lethal.
Im not loking for a 9 second truck...I have cars and bikes that will do that. What I want is my large cash investment to perform as promised. There is an issue here because its not acting as many here have described. I will check for obvious problems and if I cant find anything it will go back to the installer (Whippled recommended). The install is perfect as far as I can tell.
Whipple did have an issue with my pcm and had to send it to Ford in Michigan and that makes me want to blame the computer because my outside temp gauge is stuck on 60 (odd coincidence).
Alright basically the kit as tested by whipple is 8.8 psi...im getting under 6 usually 5ish. The engine is wrapping all the way up and the boost is not there (map and mechanical gauge verified). Engine hunts for idle and surges 1500 rpm up and down for up to 15 seconds when throttle is tapped any amount. While cruising engine will surge when throttle is closed. Im tossing around what it could be and I come up with is a vacuum/boost leak. Unmetered air entering the engine and boost blowing out somewhere. I intend on having it put on a dyno eventually to see the numbers but it is too hot right now (110+) unless i find one air conditioned.
Basically im hoping someone knows what it is and can enlighten me. Wishful thinking I know =).
Crap thing is truck goes back to the garage for the next 6 weeks while my daughter is out of school and we are vacationing. Bad timing for a problem.
Thanks for all the responses and attention to my issue! I will get it figured out and post what resolved it for anyone that has a problem in the future.
Keep those ideas coming!
A different tune is not an option...this is ford racings tune and will be the safest tune to exist for the Whipple. The warranty still exists and I bought the extra warranty from Whipple as well. As for the cutouts, the tune is able to compensate for changes to the exhaust short of long tube headers. I asked all these questions when I ordered the kit from Lethal.
Im not loking for a 9 second truck...I have cars and bikes that will do that. What I want is my large cash investment to perform as promised. There is an issue here because its not acting as many here have described. I will check for obvious problems and if I cant find anything it will go back to the installer (Whippled recommended). The install is perfect as far as I can tell.
Whipple did have an issue with my pcm and had to send it to Ford in Michigan and that makes me want to blame the computer because my outside temp gauge is stuck on 60 (odd coincidence).
Alright basically the kit as tested by whipple is 8.8 psi...im getting under 6 usually 5ish. The engine is wrapping all the way up and the boost is not there (map and mechanical gauge verified). Engine hunts for idle and surges 1500 rpm up and down for up to 15 seconds when throttle is tapped any amount. While cruising engine will surge when throttle is closed. Im tossing around what it could be and I come up with is a vacuum/boost leak. Unmetered air entering the engine and boost blowing out somewhere. I intend on having it put on a dyno eventually to see the numbers but it is too hot right now (110+) unless i find one air conditioned.
Basically im hoping someone knows what it is and can enlighten me. Wishful thinking I know =).
Crap thing is truck goes back to the garage for the next 6 weeks while my daughter is out of school and we are vacationing. Bad timing for a problem.
Thanks for all the responses and attention to my issue! I will get it figured out and post what resolved it for anyone that has a problem in the future.
Keep those ideas coming!
MTF
FRF Addict
As someone suggested before I would call Whipple on that statement, that Lethal says the Tune will adjust to a cutout. Whipple is very specific as to what can be done to the exhaust with the Ford racing tune. I Know long tube headers or no cats are out. The Ford Racing Tune has to stay emission legal.
Rusty
Full Access Member
Whipple Issues
I would think if the tune is Ford approved, Then why not take it back to Ford
and bitch and complain like hell.
You had to spend a small fortune on this blower.
Did Ford do the install, and program the PCM for you.
If so it is there job to get it to run right.
I am not sure about the cut outs, meaning do they approve of them.
I know that the difference between a 03 SVT Cobra Romeo engine and there is
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1259/dsc09749o.jpg
quite a bit different than the 6.2 engine and so are the PCM's.
My Cadillac STS V has two PCM's one for the engine and one for the transmission. Both had to be reprogramed when I did some upgrades.
Of course Cadillac tried to void the warranty. I would not let them on
certain issues. As we all know the FTC ruled on this issue some time ago.
I guess my point here is if they either installed the blower and reprogramed
the PCM, or approved it through one of there venders, Call Ford and bitch
like crazy.
Again JMHO, I could be wrong. We are all on you side, wish you the
the Very best.
Rusty
Here is a Phoenix tuner. They seem to be an approved tuner ??????
Lopers
Phoenix
602.264.5450
I would think if the tune is Ford approved, Then why not take it back to Ford
and bitch and complain like hell.
You had to spend a small fortune on this blower.
Did Ford do the install, and program the PCM for you.
If so it is there job to get it to run right.
I am not sure about the cut outs, meaning do they approve of them.
I know that the difference between a 03 SVT Cobra Romeo engine and there is
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1259/dsc09749o.jpg
quite a bit different than the 6.2 engine and so are the PCM's.
My Cadillac STS V has two PCM's one for the engine and one for the transmission. Both had to be reprogramed when I did some upgrades.
Of course Cadillac tried to void the warranty. I would not let them on
certain issues. As we all know the FTC ruled on this issue some time ago.
I guess my point here is if they either installed the blower and reprogramed
the PCM, or approved it through one of there venders, Call Ford and bitch
like crazy.
Again JMHO, I could be wrong. We are all on you side, wish you the
the Very best.
Rusty
Here is a Phoenix tuner. They seem to be an approved tuner ??????
Lopers
Phoenix
602.264.5450
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beerhasvitamins
Member
Installer asked me to check long term fuel trims. They were at 10 and 14. I guess thats not right because he said to retorque the intake manifold. So far one side is fine the other side is moving at 40-60 in. Lbs.....supposed to be 106 in.lbs... I think I found the problem. Vac/boost leak!
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MTF
FRF Addict
Nice, now I would disconnect the battery for a few mintues forcing a new learning cycle
and just baby (drive nice) it for the first 50 miles (don't use the cutout!!!).
Let us now how it works out.
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He can't call Ford since this was installed at Lethal it's up to them!!!
You can call Whipple!!! and ask for help.
and just baby (drive nice) it for the first 50 miles (don't use the cutout!!!).
Let us now how it works out.
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He can't call Ford since this was installed at Lethal it's up to them!!!
You can call Whipple!!! and ask for help.
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beerhasvitamins
Member
Wasnt installed at lethal. All I did was order the kit thru them. The installer I did use is a topbtier whipple installer though. I prefer not to give there name though. They are one of the besr shops in the Phoenix area so I prefer to maintain a good relationship with them. They did a very clean install and just looks like an oversight on the torque specs.
Update though...idle is improved and it doesnt hunt as bad as before. It now spikes up to 9 psi but drops quickly back to 6. I think im close though. Looks like I need to see if the o-rings jumped out due to low torque on the lower manifold. Its not a huge job or anything, this kit is pretty simple.
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Drove it around for a while and decided to do a 0-60 run...got 7.1 in 2wd and 7.3 in 4wd. I use the same app (Torque) as MTF and Peak horsepower was 345. The app is set up correctly to the best of my knowledge. I know its just an android app but the damn app is as accurate as the Snapon and Matco units I have used the last few days.
Fuel trims are still out of whack.
Hey MTF you get a chance can you please check your Long term fuel trims for me? Also does your engine sound labored at idle? Mine seems to idle smooth then start to deepen like its laboring. Im getting a pretty big difference between cylinder banks.
Thx!
Update though...idle is improved and it doesnt hunt as bad as before. It now spikes up to 9 psi but drops quickly back to 6. I think im close though. Looks like I need to see if the o-rings jumped out due to low torque on the lower manifold. Its not a huge job or anything, this kit is pretty simple.
---------- Post added at 03:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:15 PM ----------
Drove it around for a while and decided to do a 0-60 run...got 7.1 in 2wd and 7.3 in 4wd. I use the same app (Torque) as MTF and Peak horsepower was 345. The app is set up correctly to the best of my knowledge. I know its just an android app but the damn app is as accurate as the Snapon and Matco units I have used the last few days.
Fuel trims are still out of whack.
Hey MTF you get a chance can you please check your Long term fuel trims for me? Also does your engine sound labored at idle? Mine seems to idle smooth then start to deepen like its laboring. Im getting a pretty big difference between cylinder banks.
Thx!
MTF
FRF Addict
There are only a few settings in the app for vehicle setup: gas, 6.2L and weight 6300lbs. You need to add weight of gas and self.
I believe they are at 10 to 12 now after getting the PCM back. I'll give you the exact numbers tomorrow from work. If your hitting 25 (and thats as high as it will read) like I was it's not going to run right. If both banks are at 25 the check engine light will come on after 300 miles. At least this is what happen to mine. It's all good now.
You really need to talk to Dustin or Michael at Whipple!
I believe they are at 10 to 12 now after getting the PCM back. I'll give you the exact numbers tomorrow from work. If your hitting 25 (and thats as high as it will read) like I was it's not going to run right. If both banks are at 25 the check engine light will come on after 300 miles. At least this is what happen to mine. It's all good now.
You really need to talk to Dustin or Michael at Whipple!
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