Way to handle intercooler condensate buildup problems in 3.5 ecoboost

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what killed the plug? plugs are EXTREMELY reliable. hell my 88k plugs easily would've made 100k. With fuel injection they just don't fail anymore.

Is that a joke? Completely different physics for a turbocharged engine.

Every turbo car I've had (10+), even the high-end German stuff, has been way more sensitive to spark issues and gone through plugs routinely for optimum performance. More boost, more likely to get blowout. These trucks don't run low boost. A goofy plug or gap from factory will absolutely throw it off.

The idle shudder is 100% caused by AC compressor load on the engine. I'll blame Ford for not pairing something well, but I'm not sure of any easy remedy if the NVH bothers you. Either duty cycle or base RPM setting. Nothing to do with condensate/intercooler etc.

We really need to get folks back into troubleshooting basics like cause and effect instead of this conspiracy theory internet nonsense.
 

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Is that a joke? Completely different physics for a turbocharged engine.



Every turbo car I've had (10+), even the high-end German stuff, has been way more sensitive to spark issues and gone through plugs routinely for optimum performance. More boost, more likely to get blowout. These trucks don't run low boost. A goofy plug or gap from factory will absolutely throw it off.



The idle shudder is 100% caused by AC compressor load on the engine. I'll blame Ford for not pairing something well, but I'm not sure of any easy remedy if the NVH bothers you. Either duty cycle or base RPM setting. Nothing to do with condensate/intercooler etc.



We really need to get folks back into troubleshooting basics like cause and effect instead of this conspiracy theory internet nonsense.



Lol that sounds like Stockholm syndrome right there.


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i found that "ford techs" post. he agrees the weep hole works, he just prefers fixing it the "right" way (if you want I link the post)



what killed the plug? plugs are EXTREMELY reliable. hell my 88k plugs easily would've made 100k. With fuel injection they just don't fail anymore.


There are 4 threads... serious hesitation, bucking and snorting, Almost 3k mikes and my experience with Ford so far..., and shutter at idle with ac on (might be something different, but maybe the same)

And when i said 20 people...mmm, second thought i bet I could find a dozen who piped up.

Is the weep hole the best solution? No. but its proven to work. I said earlier that maybe ford fixed it with the 15+ ecos. 380hp and the shutters may have done the trick. add 70 hp and the right (wrong) weather conditions and the fix doesn't work for the .01%

solutions for condensation without fitting aftermarket...

-weep hole
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-vent the oe bov to atmosphere (and plug the line coming off) <<<no harm to try that

so maybe I'll find the "dozen" who have chimed in to have a hesitation and maybe we do a little test???


If the price I saw was right, $200, and 20 people chip in at $10 a pop for someone to drill the hole and see if it works.

who's in? hell i'll donate $40 to satisfy my curiosity

Actually linking the ford tech’s post wouldn’t hurt, to have it for reference.

So it actually works at what? emptying condensation ( and compromising the powertrain warranty )?

Although I am intrigued by the offer to test, the methodology proposed would not lead to verifiable conclusion. Rather, we would need to accept the premise that the “weep hole” is snake oil, and then attempt to disprove that theory via all available means. That means permitting Ford to attempt remediation via other methods. If Ford resolves the issue first, then you undertake a CAC replacement and modification and retest. Then, basically, you have either validated or invalidated the theory. And the word theory is being generous because there is zero proof this will be effectual on the 2015+ trucks as Baja’ has been repeating over several pages.

This fixation on the CAC drilling is confirmation bias. It “worked" once, or a few times, therefore every noticed issue is caused by the condensate issue.

This is covered in troubleshooting 101.
 

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The 2013 ecoboost I had I put on an upgraded intercooler at 30K miles. I didnt have catch cans.... guess how much water poured out... absolutely none. Small amount of oil but nothing like holy shit thats a lot.
 

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Actually linking the ford tech’s post wouldn’t hurt, to have it for reference.

So it actually works at what? emptying condensation ( and compromising the powertrain warranty )?

Although I am intrigued by the offer to test, the methodology proposed would not lead to verifiable conclusion. Rather, we would need to accept the premise that the “weep hole” is snake oil, and then attempt to disprove that theory via all available means. That means permitting Ford to attempt remediation via other methods. If Ford resolves the issue first, then you undertake a CAC replacement and modification and retest. Then, basically, you have either validated or invalidated the theory. And the word theory is being generous because there is zero proof this will be effectual on the 2015+ trucks as Baja’ has been repeating over several pages.

This fixation on the CAC drilling is confirmation bias. It “worked" once, or a few times, therefore every noticed issue is caused by the condensate issue.

This is covered in troubleshooting 101.

the weep hole is not snake oil. it is proven to work on older ecos.
has ford "fixed" the problem? well it kinda seems so on the post 15 standard eco engine, however, on the raptor...well that is the question. there is a small number of people that have felt a hesitation, many of which said it has went away. Hmmm could it be a day with a different weather system and condensation builds up, then the weather goes back to (normal) and the hesitation goes away? Yes, that is likely what is happening. However, it makes repeating very difficult and certainly when you bring into a dealer and the weather is (normal) and there is no hesitation, nothing is going to happen because there is no problem at that moment. Maybe they throw the gratuitous new plugs... ANY hesitation is unacceptable btw.

What are the conditions for the condensate buildup? i have no idea, we would need someone with a current hesitation (on that day, because it can go away) to record temp, baro, dew point, etc and then if and when it happens again compare. Also how you drive affects the amount of condensation buildup.

Unless you live in a very arid climate, there will always be condensate in the inlet, usually not enough for concern tho

you could just live with the problem (unless its every day) and probably the worst thing is premature plug failure. But i wouldn't put up with that in a 70k truck!

Is Ford going to fix the problem? NO. What problem? how are they going to diagnose when it takes a specific weather condition it's only a small percentage. ‘It’s Cheaper to let them Burn!’

So if no one is willing to drill a weep hole. Why not disconnect and plug the blowoff hose and vent the blowoff to the atmosphere. simple. its down low on the cool side (gen1 1 ecos didn't have).


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Yes I have seen them, but like I said before is it being caused by another underlying issue? (ie lack of maintenance, fuel quality, excessive idle time) I am not disputing the fact that people experience this issue. I just have a hard time believing that Ford has done nothing to remedy the concern if it is a design flaw causing this issue. Saying every ecoboost owner has done this is a false statement, obviously. If you have ever worked as a mechanic, especially at a dealership you would realize alot of concerns brought to the dealer are caused by irregular driving habits such as adaptive learn on transmission. We had guys coming in every couple weeks so we could reset the KAM on their vehicle because of shifting problems. Not everyone experienced this but it is possible, just like the condensation build up. I know guys that have done the weep hole and it absolutely works, although it whistles and makes a mess under the vehicle. But I prefer to fix the actual root cause of the problem.
 

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I also never mentioned that the guys I know that did the weep hole were all higher mile guys and 2012 model year. They never had the updated intercooler installed, and were notoriously bad for running very extended service intervals. To be clear I wouldn't recommend the weep hole to anyone. I still believe it is a problem that is exaggerated by lack of maintenance, extended idle time and driving habits. I could absolutely be wrong but that is the common denominator between the guys I know. I have buddies that still work at dealerships and they also indicated the number of vehicles affected is very small compared to the amount on the road and none have seen it happen on a 2015+.
 
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The weep hole has been done across all of the model years. It has been accepted as the tried and true way to prevent any misfire issues. The folks doing this are also high, medium, and low mileage people. Most will either encounter this early on, or once they hit 40k-50k miles.
I disagree with your thoughts on this.
1. There was never an updated intercooler offered. It was block off plates and tuning which made matters worse. The active shutter system in 15+ helped, but didn't solve.
2. A lack of maintenance or driving habits does not cause the intercooler to build up condensate. Once you understand the root cause of misfire is condensate buildup, you will then understand.
The service record here for the 3.5 ecoboost is really poor. I couldn't find a service department that recommends them. Once you dive in and research the tons of data on this, you will understand.
 

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The weep hole has been done across all of the model years. It has been accepted as the tried and true way to prevent any misfire issues. The folks doing this are also high, medium, and low mileage people. Most will either encounter this early on, or once they hit 40k-50k miles.
I disagree with your thoughts on this.
1. There was never an updated intercooler offered. It was block off plates and tuning which made matters worse. The active shutter system in 15+ helped, but didn't solve.
2. A lack of maintenance or driving habits does not cause the intercooler to build up condensate. Once you understand the root cause of misfire is condensate buildup, you will then understand.
The service record here for the 3.5 ecoboost is really poor. I couldn't find a service department that recommends them. Once you dive in and research the tons of data on this, you will understand.

I don't think you understand how "data" differs from "fact". And I am being generous to consider opinions as data.

I have given up hope that you will ever see past your one solution you so adamantly post in any thread that *might* have a problem related to condensation. But you have moved from using another forum as your basis for weep holes to now techs, service centers, etc. Its some weird path you are obsessive over. Share your opinion and move on. No one believes you are really trying to help.
 
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I don't think you understand how "data" differs from "fact". And I am being generous to consider opinions as data.

I have given up hope that you will ever see past your one solution you so adamantly post in any thread that *might* have a problem related to condensation. But you have moved from using another forum as your basis for weep holes to now techs, service centers, etc. Its some weird path you are obsessive over. Share your opinion and move on. No one believes you are really trying to help.

The weep hole has 6+ years of data
https://www.f150forum.com/f38/2011-55-60mph-5-0-shuddering-ecoboost-engine-miss-loss-power-possible-fixes-128636/
 
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