Torsen front axle problems ! anyone else ???

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Squatting Dog

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is electrical simple? anyhow I know it's an on off right now and no chance of slipping down and wearing of the gears like the vacuum dose. I live in a cold climate nothing like getting stuck with a 4 wheel drive that has failed.

I understand and agree.. The price point RCV is trying for is comparable to OEM IWE price.. (which really depends on final product). Converting to a electronic lock would no be a simple mod, and if it was simple bolt on the price would be considerably higher.
As of right now it is not an avenue I am willing to explore and not focus on the "one" receptive company.

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I just posted my question before reading this... Glad to see I'm not the only one having this issue... Do I just keep driving it until it lets go? Or if I take it back to the dealer will they replace the parts under warranty?
 

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I just posted my question before reading this... Glad to see I'm not the only one having this issue... Do I just keep driving it until it lets go? Or if I take it back to the dealer will they replace the parts under warranty?

The standard MO for the stealerships is they have a hard time duplicating the clunk or issue. There is several FRF members that have had to make several trips and fight to get them replaced.


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No problems on my end yet.

Stock 2013 on stock perch.

4x4 mode only engaged from stationary start

Hopefully it stays that way but if not, I'm following Squatting Dog's efforts!
 

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I appreciate everyone's help/advice/support/suggestions.. I am putting a lot of time and effort in resolving problem with these IWE problems.

This solution is designed for my "destroy anything" driving style and should work for everyone else. The locking ring in the IWE is going to be machined and tested with 300m. Which is the same material that RCV uses on their aftermarket axles. This will allow for full torque and power to be transmitted to the hub gear assembly/wheel. Since the axle and hub assembly will be fully locked all the time there will not be the typical wear/engagement problems.

Some people has asked the following questions. I have some answers for you based of alpha testing..

1) With the hubs locked and the axles/front differential turning all the time. How much mpg loss?

Since I got back from Bullrun (5 months). I locked my hubs and have been driving with the front axles turning and averaging 11mpg mixed city/highway driving. So approximately 2-3 mpg loss.

2) Having the front end locked you will have issues with the torsen on dry pavement while turning.

I have not experienced any noticeable difference in turning or handling in any driving conditions (wet/dry/snow/dirt).

3) It will cause premature tire wear from scrubbing the tires with lock front end.

No tire wear or unusual tire wear. The torsen is not a locker and allows for enough slip (speed differential) between front tires to not scrub the tires.

4) You will be pushing the front drive train and lose power/speed/performance.

No real loss, the steering feels slightly heavier but very minimal difference between locked and unlocked. It will still pull hard up to and beyond speed limiter with front locked.

5) You will lose shift on the fly capability...

No true.. Shift on the fly is preformed through the shift motor on the transfer case and not the IWE. The IWE is a fuel saving device designed by Borg warner and Ford to meet ever tightening fuel economy regulations. By having the hubs fully locked all the time, you will have true shift on the fly. As soon as you turn the knob, the shifter motor in the transfer case will direct the power to the front. It will be available immediately and not relying on the failure prone vacuum system to lock the hubs.

6) The IWE act as a drive line fuse and break before there is damage to the drive line.

As of today, no issues/problems have been observed with front end being locked.. With my talks with RCV we have discussed several other material and design options if this does become a problem with new locking rings. Our concern is the hub gears or differential may be the weak link. Until the new locking rings are installed and tested we will not have the answer of this.

7) Will it work with stock axles or only RCV axles?

This upgrade will work with either stock or RCV axles.

8.) Only torsen equipped Raptors/F150?

This upgrade is designed to work with ANY 2004 to present 4wd F150s.

9) How long or when can I buy them?

There is no current release date or scheduled date at this time. I want to make sure that this upgrade is best solution. We are not going to rush a product out without fully testing it.

10) My IWE are shot, do I need to buy new ones for this upgrade.

No, this will work with already damaged IWE or brand new. As long as the teeth on the axle and hub are not damaged there is no need to buy new IWE..

11) How much will the upgrade cost.

I am not certain on the final price, I would like it to be around OEM IWE price point. I have little say or control over the price RCV charges to produce/market this product.


This post have gotten long.. I hope I was able to address most of the questions. I am excited to start testing and finally see this idea in cold hard steel. Want to thank RCV for taking a chance and the many FRF members and vendors that have helped along the way.

If you have any questions, please let me know I will try my best to answer..



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Greg - that Q&A was very well written and explained/answered a lot of questions. I am very excited to see these test well and get on the market!! IMO Ford should be paying for this upgrade!
 

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My dealer is being a huge pain in the ass to deal with over this.

The truck has been in two times - first time the head tech heard the noise then wouldn't check the IEW because there was 'too much snow in the suspension'

Today another tech took the truck out and couldn't duplicate the noise - except when he changed from 2wd to 4-hi at full throttle- WTF?

They said I have to bring the truck back again and take the tech for a drive to duplicate it until they will look at the IWE - time for a new dealer!
 
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