Thinking about a raptor.

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mountainsco

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Hi guys,

I live at 9000' elevation and most of my driving is between 5000' and 10,000' (Colorado Rockies). How much HP am I going to loose vs. sea level? I really like the looks of the raptor and have a few miles of washboard dirt roads to contend with daily.

I tow a 7000 pound trailer about 4 times a year 80 miles round trip.

I'm wondering if another model with the eco-boost turbo engine might be a better choice for my location.

Anyone know how well a raptor performs at 9000 ft?

Thanks!
Dan
 

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DO IT!! Haha there is a lot of guys from Colorado on here I'm sure they'll be able to help you out but I'm pretty sure the difference wouldn't be that noticeable in the power. Now with a trailer depending on what you have and all you might want to consider a different truck cause with the raptor only being able to tow I think around 6,000 lbs you might be limited unless you get the RPG star 3 kit with the longer bumps to increase towing then you'd be good to go! Here the link to the thread about it

http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f98/official-payload-increase-video-15058/
 

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I am sure it will not disappoint you anywhere on the planet...
 
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DO IT!! Haha there is a lot of guys from Colorado on here I'm sure they'll be able to help you out but I'm pretty sure the difference wouldn't be that noticeable in the power. Now with a trailer depending on what you have and all you might want to consider a different truck cause with the raptor only being able to tow I think around 6,000 lbs you might be limited unless you get the RPG star 3 kit with the longer bumps to increase towing then you'd be good to go! Here the link to the thread about it

http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f98/official-payload-increase-video-15058/

Maybe I've been over thinking it. Modern fuel injected engines are a far cry from the carburetors I grew up with. My current toy is a lifted 96 F350 7.3 PSD crew with 37" tires and it's getting hard for my wife to climb in. The raptor is a much better engineered lift than I have currently and we both can get in and out easily.

Thanks for the reply!
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I think the Raptor will do just fine - it has plenty of power and will still have plenty even at high altitude.

Based on the very limited info you shared, I suggest you put those trick drop-down steps on your truck as it sounds like it does everything you need including towing. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting a Raptor but if your current truck is doing the job then you might want to find a way to make it easier for your wife to get in and out of the truck so you can keep it.

As for your question, Google is your friend: :Big Laugh:

This paper will address the affects of how higher altitudes affect the horsepower output of automotive vehicles as well as things you can do to compensate for this phenomenon. As many people are relocating to the state of Colorado, this subject has become a common of discussion among new residents and the automotive service industry. Altitude has a very significant affect on vehicle horsepower and is often misunderstood by vehicle owners. Some owners are told that their vehicles will lose up to 20% horsepower by being in Colorado, but there is much more to the story than a simple statement like that. Let's explore some simple facts about the affect of altitude on horsepower. It is best to have access to a calculator to complete this activity. Many cell phones has built in calculators for easy access. We will use some common automotive mathematical formulas to calculate "theoretical performance" values.

Our case study vehicle will be a Ford with a 5.4L (330 CID). The first learning objective will be how to convert liters to cubic inches. The easiest method to do this is to multiply liters (5.4) by 61.024. (5.4 x 61.024 = 329.53) Most manufacturers will "round up" to the nearest number, so 329.53 would become 330 cubic inches. Our example vehicle specifications indicate that it delivers about 300 HP and 365 lb ft of torque. These specifications are the result of engineering testing and measurements. These values are determined by using a Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) correction factor to keep horsepower and torque publications standard and consistent. The engineered calculations and measurements are factored and corrected to sea level and are often referred to as "sea level performance".

With the example vehicle generating 300HP at sea level, if we use the following formula to correct for changes in altitude, we can calculate the theoretical power loss at any altitude. (HP x Altitude [in feet] divided by 1,000), then multiplying the answer by 0.03. Then, subtract that answer from the stated vehicle horsepower. The total formula would be written as:

(HP X Altitude [in feet] / 1,000 X 0.03 - HP)

Let's work with the example of the Ford vehicle using this formula. The altitude of Colorado Springs, CO is about 6,000 feet. The formula with actual values inserted would look like this: (300 X 6,000 / 1,000 X 0.03 - 300) 300HP times 6,000 equals 1,800,000. Then, 1,800,000 divided by 1,000 equals 1800. Then, 1800 multiplied by 0.03 equals 54 (horsepower). 54 horsepower subtracted from 300 equals 246, which is the new theoretical vehicle horsepower at an altitude of 6,000 feet. Now, calculate the vehicle horsepower at a new altitude of 8,000 feet.

These calculations do not include major influencing factors such as ambient temperature or vapor pressure and are used just for a reference. The manufacturers and the aftermarket industry use ambient air temperature and vapor pressure in their horsepower gain calculations for their "add-on" performance products to determine the added horsepower gain. If you want to try and compensate the loss of horsepower of your engine by installing aftermarket parts that are designed to enhance engine performance, you would use the same formula. Let's say that you wish to install a cold air intake system on your vehicle and the advertised specifications say that it will add 12 HP to your vehicle. We must use the same altitude correction formula to determine the actual gain for vehicle operation in Colorado. (12HP X 6,000 / 1,000 X 0.03 - 12) = 9.84HP now, adding the 9.84HP gain to the original 246HP gives you a total of 255.84HP (theoretical) for your vehicle.

You can continue to calculate the horsepower gain for aftermarket products until you find a combination of products that will bring your vehicle horsepower back to sea level specifications for the altitude your vehicle operates at. In the example of the Ford vehicle in this document, we would have to find products that would increase the horsepower of the 5.4L engine to about 370HP at sea level to obtain the factory 300HP at 6,000 feet above sea level. Have fun!!!

Source: THE AFFECT of ALTITUDE on VEHICLE HORSEPOWER - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
 
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I think the Raptor will do just fine - it has plenty of power and will still have plenty even at high altitude.

Based on the very limited info you shared, I suggest you put those trick drop-down steps on your truck as it sounds like it does everything you need including towing. I don't want to discourage anyone from getting a Raptor but if your current truck is doing the job then you might want to find a way to make it easier for your wife to get in and out of the truck so you can keep it.

As for your question, Google is your friend: :Big Laugh:

I read most of the article. So I'll loose 50-75ish HP. No biggie. My current truck doesn't like -20 days very much. It's too much truck and is too stiff to be much fun anymore. It's got 180K miles on it and a few people have told me they can go 300K+, but it's time for heated seats and an automatic transmission. I've read the Raptor has a plush ride, and while I've sat in one, I haven't test drove one yet.

Still a lot of research to do, but the Raptor is looking like a real winner so far. I'll test it on my washboard roads before deciding.

Thanks!
Dan
 

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I live in Colorado Springs and we have a house in Blue River near Breckenridge that is at 10,000 ft. While I can tell a power difference it isn't that bad and is actually better than my previous "Hemi" Jeep.
 
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I live in Colorado Springs and we have a house in Blue River near Breckenridge that is at 10,000 ft. While I can tell a power difference it isn't that bad and is actually better than my previous "Hemi" Jeep.

Awesome! Similarly equipped crew 150's are all about 50-55K with all the goodies (before discounts), so it will largely come down to ride quality and vanity. That raptor is a sweet looking machine... Probably the best looking factory truck I've ever seen.

Dan
 
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