The reasons why I can't justify buying a Gen 2

[jamanrr]

A. this is the gen 1 forum

B. The new Raptor looks identical to every other new F150 from the front end making them hard to distinguish as Raptors

C. I won't buy one because they have 10 speed transmissions and boosted turbo motors
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too many horror stories about that motor to make me want to or have the desire to get one. Again, a lot more needs to be proven with this iteration of the Raptor before you can say it is a good truck. It is a Ford Performance product not an SVT vehicle.

 

[smurfslayer]

yeah, that gen1 forum point, doesn’t play. Lots of gen1 guys posting in the gen2 sub fora. Similarly, some of us are going to post in the gen 1 sub-forums. some of the gen2 folks raised that salient point in numerous flame-fests, only to be shatupon.

Obviously, some of us want usable info sharing with fellow off road truck and Raptor specific enthusiasts. Others just want to whine, bitch and moan about shit on the internet. I owned the notorious for plug spitting SC 5.4 Lightning, and it was statistically the most reliable vehicle I’ve had. maybe the TT6 will be good, maybe not.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly did SVT give us as consumers that Ford Performance does not? I’ve had SVTs... Ok, I got certs for my SVT’s, not so much for my F/P. anything else?

 

[NewAgePhilosopher]

Aaron, Aaron, Aaron... Don’t be like the Harley Davidson lemmings. They remain steadfastly convinced of the 45 degree v2, 2v motor superiority a full 80 years since it’s been state of the art. Alas, they never progressed to the --proper-- V2 crank offset of 90 degrees, adopted by other manufacturers, notably Ducati, who understand what a motor should perform like and sound like. Alas, the sheer number of the HD tribe means that it will be a while until they are extinct, but make no mistake extinction is their fate. Relegated to ash pile of history, faintly misremembered by some who will wonder aloud - ‘whatever happened to...’

Time, technology and progress marches on my truck driving brutha. All too soon, v8 privilege will live on only in the memories of a few elderly starbucks customers transported from the old folks home by the short bus for an outing to starbucks and k-mart; the highlight of their week. There you will be, like an aging pop starlet who has remained in the public eye a few years too long, desperately seeking attention and adoration only to be supplanted by a younger, more attractive model with a voice than appeals to an entirely different generation.

I hear you on 3-11, it’s epic. Shelby’s parable holds true, but I am more often drawn to
If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue

I'm not an automobile engineer, nor do I service my own Raptor. But have a read.

The Physics of Engine Cylinder-Bank Angles - Feature - Car and Driver

V8s are fundamentally more reliable and less maintenance, due to the difference in the inherent architecture of both engines. Now, of course, it differs from maker to maker, but I'd rather have a Ford V8 in my truck than a Ford V6.

Lol. Dude I'm pretty reasonable. And I think my comparison was accurate. I also think that, if a 17' and a 14' were the same price, same mileage etc, the large majority would choose the G2. Why? Because it does everything better. Faster, lighter, more travel, wayyyy nicer interior, more tech, etc. It's newer.

Lol? If a '17 and a '14 were the same price? Why not put other 'ifs and thens' as well? Like if the '14 had the same stock 3.0s and interior as the '17, then the '17s just wouldn't sell. Period.

And you forgot the body. Steel vs aluminum. I don't give a shit what the NHTSA ratings for the '17 say. Steel is stronger than aluminum. Period. End of story. There's a reason we don't use aluminum rebar in RCC construction (for well over a half century now), and price isn't it. If I wanted a light weight speedster, I'd get a Lotus. Not a Raptor.

And 'dude', honestly, the Gen1 Raptor just screams out bad-ass, with that V8 rumble and the big curvy body. The Jenny screams out "I'm the confused lovechild of the GT and the F-150".

 

[xrocket21]

I'm not an automobile engineer, nor do I service my own Raptor. But have a read.

The Physics of Engine Cylinder-Bank Angles - Feature - Car and Driver

V8s are fundamentally more reliable and less maintenance, due to the difference in the inherent architecture of both engines. Now, of course, it differs from maker to maker, but I'd rather have a Ford V8 in my truck than a Ford V6.



Lol? If a '17 and a '14 were the same price? Why not put other 'ifs and thens' as well? Like if the '14 had the same stock 3.0s and interior as the '17, then the '17s just wouldn't sell. Period.

And you forgot the body. Steel vs aluminum. I don't give a shit what the NHTSA ratings for the '17 say. Steel is stronger than aluminum. Period. End of story. There's a reason we don't use aluminum rebar in RCC construction (for well over a half century now), and price isn't it. If I wanted a light weight speedster, I'd get a Lotus. Not a Raptor.

And 'dude', honestly, the Gen1 Raptor just screams out bad-ass, with that V8 rumble and the big curvy body. The Jenny screams out "I'm the confused lovechild of the GT and the F-150".

holy shit, I cant even tell if you're serious or not

 

[AndysLog]

i think everyone is just full troll at this point.

 

[Bullishone]

This thread is a joke on so many levels. I understand people can't justify buying a new truck especially when they have a 2014...but trying to convince yourselves the 2014 is better than a 2017 in *any* way is laughable.



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[xrocket21]

i think everyone is just full troll at this point.

thanks, I feel better

 

[AndysLog]

This thread is a joke on so many levels. I understand people can't justify buying a new truck especially when they have a 2014...but trying to convince yourselves the 2014 is better than a 2017 in *any* way is laughable.



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different strokes for different folks.

whats laughable is everyone thinking an opinion has to be regarded and responded to as fact.

i believe my 2013 is better in many ways, some of those small items may be close to fact, others may be mostly opinion. all i know is that when i have an issue with my truck i wont have to park it at the dealer for 4 weeks and call 50 different customer service numbers and make a new thread bitching about my much better truck every 15 minutes while i drive around in a new focus while they diagnose it...

 

[jamanrr]

The aluminum body panels are just one part of the over all picture of the new Ford.

They are easier to replace for the most part, body shops can make easier repairs and the panels themselves are less money. SVT was a separate in house component, to Ford similar to what STI is to Subaru. Made to a different level of standards than the previous mass produced models. I do not know, be it for the globalization stance Ford has taken or the fact that their products have been watered down a little bit.

The Gen 1 Raptor is still the benchmark, it is what Dodge used as a basis for their Rebel and GM even tried to make something similar. All these factory tuner trucks you have coming out now are based off the original Ford Raptor. Ford went MPG and smaller displacement with the Gen 2. Hoping the faithful would appreciate it for what it is; however, they did not. I probably am going into a 2500 series with my next truck not down to a lower level Raptor.

If I want to race and have a 4 wheel drive then I will just use my STI, Raptors are not in the 4.5 second zero to 60 times yet.

 

[Sasquatch77]

This thread is a joke on so many levels. I understand people can't justify buying a new truck especially when they have a 2014...but trying to convince yourselves the 2014 is better than a 2017 in *any* way is laughable.



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Why? The 11-14 6.2 Raptors are bulletproof. Look at the ecoboost community and most are experiencing buyer remorse.