The Detroit Auto Show - New Raptor Unveiling Thread

[DeepSeaOne]

My only problem with forced induction is...well...history.

If you look across the mfgr spectrum of FI vehicles, how many older ones are still on the road? Not many actually unless we're talking diesel. Now is this related to the fact that they were installed in crappy cars that fell apart around the engine, or is the power plant more likely to suffer a catastrophic failure? Both arguable points but history is...well...history...so where are they?

You can forge and strengthen everything down to the floor mats but it still only takes a minor fuel delivery issue or sensor failure to start melting parts. Forced induction is certainly a good direction to go but until the they're built by NASA I'll remain skeptical of their ruggedness. Not merely through a photo op at a rally at a single event or sitting on a dyno, but after 100K miles of being...a truck.

 

[F-22]

6.2 for life!! lol I'm not trading up in 2017

 

[circafwsk8r]

I'm def a function over form kinda guy....I haven't seen any chasis pics or what's dif about the chasis.........

With that being said the original raptor still gets my vote
The new truck (from what I can see) looks alot like the f150 when side x side

The original raptor looks nothing like its little bro side x side
As far as the body goes, I don't think you could design a better raptor than the original.........keep trying ford

 

[LITTLEELVISDAN]

My only problem with forced induction is...well...history.

If you look across the mfgr spectrum of FI vehicles, how many older ones are still on the road? Not many actually unless we're talking diesel. Now is this related to the fact that they were installed in crappy cars that fell apart around the engine, or is the power plant more likely to suffer a catastrophic failure? Both arguable points but history is...well...history...so where are they?

You can forge and strengthen everything down to the floor mats but it still only takes a minor fuel delivery issue or sensor failure to start melting parts. Forced induction is certainly a good direction to go but until the they're built by NASA I'll remain skeptical of their ruggedness. Not merely through a photo op at a rally at a single event or sitting on a dyno, but after 100K miles of being...a truck.

I agree with you for the most part. BUT I do own a 2006 Caddy STS-V that is a factory SC Northstar. I have 130,000 miles, some track, on her and still running strong with just the basic maint schedule. Ran some SCT tunes on her a while with some power adders as well. Now back to stock and is the wifes favorite car. I am a supporter of SC not Turbo, given my personal experience with with both turbos and SC's. Cases can be made for both if executed properly. SC Regals were crap due to plastic intake manifolds. So execution is everything. Going cheap is going BOOM!!!! I hope Ford does it the right way if its going in a Raptor.

 

[circafwsk8r]

Here's my thoughts on the 3.5 vs 6.2:

It's not a CAFE thing (as that is average, and 20k raptors won't move the needle one bit), it's a cost containment issue. They can't put the 6.2 in the regular F150's as that would screw their CAFE numbers, so they had to kill the engine. Keeping that alive for a small run would kill profitability for them. It would be akin to making the new raptor 7" wider instead of 6" (would have to build a whole new assembly line as they wouldn't fit existing line).

This is why you see the ecoboost in the new Ford GT as well. It's them making a statement that it will be their new development platform for wringing as much as they can out of the engine.

For the main engine lines all manufacturers are getting out of NA motors, and it is because of the stupid fuel MPG testing, which is faulty. The way they test the turbos never spool, thus tricking the test into better MPG,and good CAFE ratings. In real world situations, the CAFE numbers drop significantly.

Ferrari is turboing their V8
Porsche is turboing their flat 6

all for the same reasons.

I'll miss the sound my 6.2 makes on SW headers, but the future is turbos.

My brother has an 2012 eco.....12mpg av. Widen that truck and add 35"-37" wheels. Hahaha. You guys can have it...... I'm a ford guy for sure but I'm not dign the Eco v6. At all

 

[sabumaru]

As an EU living guy
Paying twice the price for gas then you guys do. I like the tought of ECO-Boost
So MPG does count.
Laws on sound are harsh, so the v6 is ok
All in all a propper truck.

Wonder how the alu will bond to a cage or a massive 4link setup.

Time to start saving for this €80.000 toy

 

[MustangAndRaptor]

I was a part of a few focus groups after buying my 2011 Mustang. I reviewed the Kia sports car (forgot the name) and told them what I liked and didnt like.

They basically had me take an ipad and walk around and check the car out at the auto show noting what I thought should make it to production with a rating of importance. Hopefully ford is doing this right now with the raptor and they can fix the tailgate among other things before production.

 

[m3dragon]

Am I the only one noticed the grill does not open with the hood now? That means no more easy access to the cooling side of the truck.

And is this Dodge's answer to replace the Ram Runner and compete with Raptor 2.0?

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/13/2015-ram-1500-rebel-detroit-official/#image-7

 

[MustangAndRaptor]

Am I the only one noticed the grill does not open with the hood now? That means no more easy access to the cooling side of the truck.

And is this Dodge's answer to replace the Ram Runner and compete with Raptor 2.0?

2015 Ram 1500 Rebel drops the crosshairs, muscles in with new snout

nope lol "If that has you envisioning the Rebel as a rival to the Ford F-150 SVT Raptor, think again – "It's not an extreme, desert-racer off-road type product," says Ram boss Bob Hegbloom. If you're seeking an analog from another automaker, look to the Toyota Tundra TRD Pro and we think you'll be in the ballpark."

 

[matrix243]

FWIW, I can't see the EB exhaust sound being a problem. I made my lightning go from sounding like a smallblock to bigblock with the exhaust, I can't see why you couldn't get a lower tone out of the EB with exhaust volumes and not using the gay audio trick.