Tell me why a 4 inch suspension lift is bad

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Lift Kits for Independent Suspensions

"The downside to all coil spring suspension lift kits is that they alter the operating angles of the various links (or radius arms) and track bars in the system, changing the designed geometry of the system...


Beyond the basic 2-3 inch lift, you need a corrected system. By “corrected,” we mean one that has new links adjusted for length and possibly modified in shape to correct some of the geometry problems. Offset eye bushings or dropped mounting brackets are also used. Corrected suspension lift kits usually include a corrected track rod because the angularity of the transverse bars is also adversely affected by lift. Sometimes that comes in the form of a longer track bar, with or without changes in its shape, and sometimes drop brackets are used to correct angularity. A good corrected coil spring lift will often deliver near-stock drivability into the 4-6 inch lift range...


Independent suspension lift kits may be the most complex lifts of all, similar in complexity to solid axle coil spring setups. At lower levels of lift height (2-3 inches), many of the newer strut-type setups are quite simply addressed by a spacer lift. From there, the changes of angularity to the control arms, steering rods, and the CV axle angles are the major concerns.

All these potential troubles, and others, are addressed in lifts at or above 3 inches by relocating the upper/lower control arm or replacing it. A steeper angle on the upper or lower arm moves the steering knuckle inboard and increases the angularity on the ball joints, sometimes maxing out their movement. The longer or relocated arms solve those issues. Another common element is a modified knuckle. The point at which the CV axle enters the knuckle may be altered for some lift, but, more importantly, the distance between the ball joints is increased to decrease their angularity. Many times, the steering arm is relocated to lessen the angularity on the tie rods. Some IFS systems relocate the entire suspension and differential at a lower position to obtain lift.

CV joint angularity is always a problem with an IFS lift, but it’s one usually addressed by the suspension lift kit designer. They calculate the maximum angularity of the inner and outer joints and limit suspension travel to prevent binding. The other consideration is the plunge depth of the inner joint, often called a tripod because it has three pivot points. As the suspension travels up or down, the mounted end to end distance of the CV axle changes.

As angularity decreases, that distance grows and vice versa. It’s just like a driveshaft in that way. The “slip yoke” for the CV axle is called plunge and it’s done inside the inner joint, the three legs of the tripod able to move in and out inside tracks. At normal ride height, the plunge depth must be centered or at least positioned so that the joint will neither pull apart on downtravel nor run out of travel on suspension uptravel, causing it to jam and break the diff housing. Plunge depth is usually addressed by a spacer between the inner joint and the drive flange on the differential."

Link: Your Lift Kit How to Guide on Lift Kits for Coilers & Independent Suspensions - Suspension Lift Kit Knowhow Part 3

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its a bad idea because it would be ugly as can be, less functional as yous have to go much slower offroad as to not roll it thanks to higher COG, and you would be shunned on raptor forums for throwing a lift kit on a raptor.

Ugly to you…not to him. His money, his truck. Why should he be shunned? Because he dared to do something different than everyone else? That's pretty lousy. He's only asking questions, and we all gain knowledge from that.
 

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Ugly to you…not to him. His money, his truck. Why should he be shunned? Because he dared to do something different than everyone else? That's pretty lousy. He's only asking questions, and we all gain knowledge from that.

you havent been here long.
anytime someone posts a lifted raptor, all hell breaks loose. several have done it, and received mostly negative comments.

was simply informing him of this.

and yes, ugly to me. he asked my opinion, I told him. thats How I operate. Don't like it, put me on your ignore list. thats what its for.

:challenge:
 

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What's the point?

You said larger tires. 37+, right? Why? Are you rock crawling the Raptor and therefore need more clearance between the IFS/rear diff and the ground?

If that's the goal, then hell yeah a lift makes all kinds of sense. But, then I guess I would ask, why did you buy a Raptor if you want to rock crawl in a way that requires more ground clearance than it already has? The Raptor is decidedly NOT a crawler for many reasons; you've got lots of bigger fish to fry to turn a Raptor into a rock crawler before you need to worry about more ground clearance.

If that's not the goal, then I'm sort of lost. What's the point of larger tires, and therefore a lift?
 
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Asking questions is OK. Why not? It stimulates conversation and, at the very least, we can see how many posts go up before the thread goes off the tracks.




I think a simple answer to the question is: A suspension lift is fraught with all kinds of challenges for the designer to do it right. And there are complex issues that make suspension lifts expensive IF you can find one for the vehicle. And that leads to yet another answer...availability of a suspension lift for a Raptor.

The alternatives to putting a suspension lift on a Raptor seem to be much more palatable in terms of availability, ease of installation, cost and durability.
 

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Funny….I was looking at your age and I was thinking the same thing about you.

And just cause everyone else does it , doesn't make it right.

My age has nothing to do with anything.

good job though on being the typical old guy who picks on younger guys, simply due to their age. :cheers:
 

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I would think it comes down to personal preference there is no good reason like "because your truck will burst in to flames".. Everyones got an idea, by the way that’s how the Raptor came to be it was first an idea. Then you stimulate conversation to see if someone else has ventured down this path. Then you discover many people like to drive fast and on the edge of out of control.. "sometimes farther, see link Raptor Jumps far". So if nobody points to a geometric flaw, they have tried that lift kit and it does not work, etc.. Then really its just an opinion and I don’t think the OP asked for an opinion, but is asking for hard facts don’t do it because...
 

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Got a link to the fab tech kit? What's it include/replace/cut/modify.
 
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