supercharger?

[Jordan@Apollo-Optics]

ROUSH Industries is a Tier One supplier of fully integrated engineering and development support services to the worldwide automotive industry. And as far as I know the ONLY Tier one out of all supercharger companies. With this level of access to Ford/SVT they can go deeper into the ECM than others..

-Greg (aka squatting dog)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this would only apply to Roush Raptors from the factory. If you get it all done aftermarket, I would think you'd be a fool not to go to a well known tuner and have him do a custom dyno tune for the truck. Mail order tunes are only so good and they make them incredibly rich for liability reasons. Hell, most mail order tunes for FI cars and trucks run around 10.9-11.2 AFR when 11.7-11.9 is considered incredibly safe and helps you conserve a little bit of fuel. They have to tune them incredibly rich because they don't know where the truck is going to be. If you are in Houston, TX at sea level, the tune will be different than if you are in Denver, CO at 1 mile above sea level. And depending on the tuner will also depend on how deep they can get into the ECM.

 

[Fastcote]

I had mine installed and custom dyno tuned and couldn't be happier. I think the guy on the ***** (and laptop in this case) is WAY more important than the supercharger manufacturer. When I approached my tuner he did not push me toward any particular vendor. I picked whipple for several reasons not the least of which was steady even predictable power and the ferocious scream they make when pushing hard. By the way, a significant part of their business is RE-tuning vehicles that had stock tunes with bland performance and bad behavior. Dyno tuning is the only way I will ever go.

 

[MTF]

ROUSH Industries is a Tier One supplier of fully integrated engineering and development support services to the worldwide automotive industry. And as far as I know the ONLY Tier one out of all supercharger companies. With this level of access to Ford/SVT they can go deeper into the ECM than others..

-Greg (aka squatting dog)

That’s wishful thinking Greg!!!

And it would have been nice for Roush if Ford would have commissioned Roush to build a Supercharged Raptor.
They would have had access to Ford’s Tier 1 Raptor engineers and calibrators.

Would have been even better if Roush would have used Whipple’s SC. LOL
When I started researching Superchargers for my Raptor I could never find out which unit Roush was going use,
it was all top secret at the time when I made my decision to go with Whipple

Roush OEM and Roush Aftermarket are 2 separate divisions with different employees.
And the supercharger kit Roush put together is from all other vendors making it an aftermarket item.
Roush doesn’t make a supercharger.

All Tier 1 suppliers sign extremely strict agreement contracts that if they are contracted to design, test and/or build components for that company (example Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc.), then they legally cannot use any information to benefit other markets such as aftermarket.
Meaning, if they worked with the calibration for the Raptor, they legally are not supposed to use that data learned from the OE project to be applied to the SC project.

Having said that,
Whipple is the only one to date that was commissioned by Ford to build several Supercharged Raptors using Whipple’s 2.9L Twin Screw Type Supercharger.
And it took over a year of Ford’s tier 1 engineers and the tier 1 calibrator to design, build and calibrate with Whipple’s staff, with months of durability testing.

This is why the Whipple’s Tune has all the safeties and O2s turned on, Whipple’s Tune is highly encrypted!!!
Having learned from what happened with the first GT 500 Tune, now that 99% of tuners are using those old out dated files.
And trying to make a Mustang Tune work on a Raptor is proving to be a tough thing to do.
Ford spent large amounts of cash to make sure the Raptor’s Whipple Tune cannot be tampered with or edited or copied onto another PCM.

Unfortunately, Roush had to start from scratch which is no big deal for them!!!
Roush by all means makes very safe, reliable and quality products and have a great and talented staff.

 

[Michaelkgorski]

That's wishful thinking Greg!!!

And it would have been nice for Roush if Ford would have commissioned Roush to build a Supercharged Raptor.
They would have had access to Ford's Tier 1 engineers and calibrators.

Would have been even better if Roush would have used Whipple's SC. LOL
When I started researching Superchargers I could never find out which unit Roush was going use, it was all top secret at the time I made my decision to go with Whipple

Roush OEM and Roush Aftermarket are 2 separate divisions with different employees.
And the supercharger kit Roush put together is from all other vendors making it an aftermarket item.
Roush doesn't make a supercharger.

All Tier 1 suppliers sign extremely strict agreement contracts that if they are contracted to design, test and/or build components for that company (example Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc.), then they legally cannot use any information to benefit other markets such as aftermarket.
Meaning, if they worked with the calibration for the Raptor, they legally are not supposed to use that data learned from the OE project to be applied to the SC project.

Having said that,
Whipple is the only one to date that was commissioned by Ford to build several Supercharged Raptors using Whipple's 2.9L Twin Screw Type Supercharger.
And it took over a year of Ford's tier 1 engineers and the tier 1 calibrator to design, build and calibrate with Whipple's staff, then months of durability testing.

This is why the Whipple's Tune has all the safeties and O2s turned on, Whipple's Tune is highly encrypted!!!
Having learned from what happened with the first GT 500 Tune, now that 99% of tuners are using those files.
Ford spent large amounts of cash to make sure the Raptor's Whipple Tune cannot be edited or copied.

Unfortunately, Roush had to start from scratch which is no big deal for them!!!
Roush by all means makes very safe, reliable and quality products and have a great and talented staff.

Good thing they sent my ECU straight to whipple for tuning!

 

[Michaelkgorski]

PCM***

 

[dnewman9]

I am not sure I buy those two graphs as an accurate comparison. I saw a couple dyno sheets that showed much more similarity between the two. I think the post were on here or the other site by Team JDM.

It would be interesting to have Galpin or Team JDM post comparative results on their dyno for both platforms. All the vendors I spoke with who sell both thought the Whipple has more upside if you upgrade your internals and fuel system but the Roush has better "out of the hole" acceleration. The suggestion was the smaller volume of the TVS builds boost faster, while the Whipple obviously has more leg room at high RPM.


Obviously I went Roush, but I would recommend anyone looking to take each of our advice with a grain of salt, and call Team Jdm or Galpin for their take. I also like the fact for about the same price, I was able to buy a supercharger and Nationals versus just the Whipple.

 

[Michaelkgorski]

I am not sure I buy those two graphs as an accurate comparison. I saw a couple dyno sheets that showed much more similarity between the two. I think the post were on here or the other site by Team JDM.

It would be interesting to have Galpin or Team JDM post comparative results on their dyno for both platforms. All the vendors I spoke with who sell both thought the Whipple has more upside if you upgrade your internals and fuel system but the Roush has better "out of the hole" acceleration. The suggestion was the smaller volume of the TVS builds boost faster, while the Whipple obviously has more leg room at high RPM.

Obviously I went Roush, but I would recommend anyone looking to take each of our advice with a grain of salt, and call Team Jdm or Galpin for their take. I also like the fact for about the same price, I was able to buy a supercharger and Nationals versus just the Whipple.

Ya that makes sense. I hadn't thought about that. - no they weren't the best photos. Just two I could find.
But ya in the end. It depends on who installs it and who tunes it.

 

[MTF]

It's that the TVS is spinning so fast at idle it's building boost already.
You could throw a smaller pulley on the Whipple to achieve the same effect but you would start producing unsafe boost levels for a stock motor.

The Eaton TVS 2300 roots type is the cheapest SC on the market that's why certain car manufactures are throwing them on.
As twin screws prices come down you'll see more applications on OEMs in the future.

 

[Jordan@Apollo-Optics]

It's that the TVS is spinning so fast at idle it's building boost already.
You could throw a smaller pulley on the Whipple to achieve the same effect but you would start producing unsafe boost levels for a stock motor.

The Eaton TVS 2300 roots type is the cheapest SC on the market that's why certain car manufactures are throwing them on.
As twin screws prices come down you'll see more applications on OEMs in the future.

Small superchargers are really easy to tune and are very hard to notice it's actually there if you aren't told about it before hand. The only way people knew my 2005 Mustang GT had a supercharger (whipple 2.3) was because of the two pillar gauges I had.

Ever ridden in a car with a 4.0L Whipple? Those things are a huge pain in the ass to tune and unless you have a phenomenal tuner, it's a pain in the ass to actually drive it. They are designed for strictly race applications. For most people, if they don't plan on building the motor, the Roush is going to be more than enough. If you want to end up pulling the motor and building it, go with a Whipple since there is a lot more upside to it.

 

[Concept]

So it's been five months of me dealing with this shit.
Sorry for all the spam but it got Roush to cover my blow engine.
The valves and lifters we grinded down causing metal particles to go through my engine.
I have both parts list and work order forms for anyone that would like to see it.
Or call Najveen @Keywest Ford In New Westminster BC Canada or Denise @ Chilliwack Ford in Chilliwack BC Canada
or email me @ [email protected]

They are rebuilding my motor, new hubs and axles, new tranny OD spring.
Roush has a maximum warranty of $10,000 so make sure you think twice before you supercharge.
Ford will not cover any warranty with a Roush charger or any other aftermarket parts.
Trust me I spent days with Ford Canada about this.
I have all my paper work and invoices, and emails with my lawyer assuring all raptor owners that this is not a fabricated story.
Again I'm sorry about the spam but it worked.
I bought another car because my truck has been at chilliwack ford for 5 months now.
No Joke.

Please email if I can help or show you pictures and paper work.
Tom Ketterin :. Concept Distributing UTV & MX
[email protected]
I live in Abbotsofrd BC Canada