Strongly considering Hellion, or possibly whipple - suggestions?

[RLTW]

Do you plan on off-roading? The complexities of adding an after-market twin turbo kit to a Raptor is pretty intense and not necessarily a good thing. Whipple has been done quite a few times and has a pretty good track record. Then again, if you don't plan to off-road, then go for the twin turbo.

There are plenty of offroad recreation vehicles that use turbochargers for big power. Any additional complexity can be troublesome, but you don't have innovation or improvement without giving it a try. Even the superchargers had to be proofed in order for people to trust them. I believe we have the same situation here. The idea is already proofed in other offroad vehicles and just needs to be transitioned to our platform. As for turbos themselves, I've had a couple turbo platforms and they were both extremely reliable. A couple PROs to inspire innovation, the turbo is that it is more efficient than a supercharger, you can improve mileage, there is no parasitic loss due to being belt driven, or a belt to break or slip for that matter (my old SC belt would slip from time to time). All of that said, I'm sure it could take a shit on you just as easily as anything else. I'm giving it serious consideration, i'm deployed right now, i'll report back if i go that route.

 

[RLTW]

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[Jordan@Apollo-Optics]

There are plenty of offroad recreation vehicles that use turbochargers for big power. Any additional complexity can be troublesome, but you don't have innovation or improvement without giving it a try. Even the superchargers had to be proofed in order for people to trust them. I believe we have the same situation here. The idea is already proofed in other offroad vehicles and just needs to be transitioned to our platform. As for turbos themselves, I've had a couple turbo platforms and they were both extremely reliable. A couple PROs to inspire innovation, the turbo is that it is more efficient than a supercharger, you can improve mileage, there is no parasitic loss due to being belt driven, or a belt to break or slip for that matter (my old SC belt would slip from time to time). All of that said, I'm sure it could take a shit on you just as easily as anything else. I'm giving it serious consideration, i'm deployed right now, i'll report back if i go that route.

I'm not saying it isn't possible. But with what's out on the market, if you want something that is tried and true with very few issues, you go with a supercharger. Yes, there are plenty of turbocharged applications off road that work great, but there is also a ton of engineering behind it and just as much R&D.

I guess my original post should of clarified that if you are willing to be the guy that goes through the problems and sorts them out for an application that is arguably better, the Hellion kit is the way to go. If you just want something to bolt on, tune, and be done, Whipple/Roush is the way to go. It all depends on your end goal and how much headache you can sustain to get there, IMO.

 

[RLTW]

I agree

 

[dnewman9]

I had a Roush on my 13, and a Whipple on my 14. I called several people about the Hellion kit as I too wanted one. It's still appealing, however the 6.2 is the biggest engine fit into the smallest truck Ford could fit it in. The tt fitment is incredibly tight and has caused melting and at least one fire. There are literally dozens of tuners who have tuned supercharger trucks, only a small handful who have seen tt trucks.

I say go for it, blaze the trail, I bet it will be a rough one, with not much return over a sc truck.

If I did a 4th truck today I would go back custom tuned Roush. The out of the hole power was superior to my whipple, even though my whipple probably makes more power on paper. I bet a tt truck is even worse out of the hole but even better on the top end. IMHO there is no need to build for top end power in a Raptor, except for pure bragging rights.
Dennis

 

[CoronaRaptor]

In the past there has been noted a few turbo raptor's with the bottom end grenading and also of them catching fire, but they all could of been installed from one particular company. Whipple is going to be my choice.

 

[SD_Plat]

In the past there has been noted a few turbo raptor's with the bottom end grenading and also of them catching fire, but they all could of been installed from one particular company. Whipple is going to be my choice.

Do you have links (or additional info) to these purported 'bottom end grenading' Raptors? very curious on the source.

I've heard of two Raptors blowing motors with the Whipple kit under boost but never a TT.

Fires, yes.

If you turn the boost up anything is possible but driven responsibly with infrequent high boost pulls should (cumulatively) do less 'damage' than a supercharged engine under a constant boost load.

 

[JimIII@JDM]

Turbo's are cool, definitely more difficult to tune but can be dialed in by a good tuner. The fitment is much more involved from a DIY standpoint. No doubt a turbo system is more efficient, it's free power as opposed to a blower which puts drag on the motor but you will usually get more low end torque and throttle response from a blower for that reason. We have worked on I think 2 Turbo charged Raptors, where we have tuned and worked on several hundred Supercharged Raptors. Superchargers are going to be cheaper, easier to install as well tune, and more street friendly.

 

[MTF]

In the past there has been noted a few turbo raptor's with the bottom end grenading and also of them catching fire, but they all could of been installed from one particular company. Whipple is going to be my choice.

Do you have links (or additional info) to these purported 'bottom end grenading' Raptors? very curious on the source.

I've heard of two Raptors blowing motors with the Whipple kit under boost but never a TT.

Fires, yes.

If you turn the boost up anything is possible but driven responsibly with infrequent high boost pulls should (cumulatively) do less 'damage' than a supercharged engine under a constant boost load.

The Whippled Raptors did not 'grenade the bottom end' but it did shatter the oil pump gears when pushing the HP, This lead to the engine seizing.

Tuning was the major factor in those scenarios.

Let's face it,
Hard pounding shifts and over revving at these HP levels can cause these kind of problems for any stock engine.

With the Tunes that are out now from our vendors, "knock on wood" there hasn't been an issue yet.

And most are upgrading the oil pump gears, so this is a good thing!

 

[CoronaRaptor]

The Whippled Raptors did not 'grenade the bottom end' but it did shatter the oil pump gears when pushing the HP, This lead to the engine seizing.

Tuning was the major factor in those scenarios.

Let's face it,
Hard pounding shifts and over revving at these HP levels can cause these kind of problems for any stock engine.

With the Tunes that are out now from our vendors, "knock on wood" there hasn't been an issue yet.

And most are upgrading the oil pump gears, so this is a good thing!

I wasn't referring to Whipple having problems, I was referring to earlier on with the early raptor's with prochargers, there was quite a few guys having problems. Also a few pictures of raptor's on fire from fuel rail leakage. I'm not going to name the company, not going there at all. "Google" is your friend

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Do you have links (or additional info) to these purported 'bottom end grenading' Raptors? very curious on the source.

I've heard of two Raptors blowing motors with the Whipple kit under boost but never a TT.

Fires, yes.

If you turn the boost up anything is possible but driven responsibly with infrequent high boost pulls should (cumulatively) do less 'damage' than a supercharged engine under a constant boost load.

I have seen pics of the damage from the bottom ends grenading from too muchh boost or bad tuning like @MTF mentioned. I'm not going to Slander the company that most people on here know who I'm referring to, I do have some pics of raptor's on fire, but you can look on Google yourself or somebody with bigger balls on here can post. Just not going there. Like MTF says the tunes for Whipple seem to be flawless now.