SCT X4 w/ 5-Star Tunes - One Week Review

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Truck is to smart for its own good! lol

Smarter than me for sure! :rotflmao:

I'm just trying to learn and understand, so I know what to ask for when I pull the trigger on my tune. I'm liking the stock transmission strategy, all I'm looking for is more power (argh argh argh). So i am thinking I'm a candidate to ask the transmission be left alone, right?
 

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Smarter than me for sure! :rotflmao:

I'm just trying to learn and understand, so I know what to ask for when I pull the trigger on my tune. I'm liking the stock transmission strategy, all I'm looking for is more power (argh argh argh). So i am thinking I'm a candidate to ask the transmission be left alone, right?

I can only speak to the 5 Star tunes from Mike on the SCT Tuner. Like i posted earlier, I run the 93 performance Tune along with an Airraid Intake and a Magnaflow exhaust...(all information given to Mike @ 5star prior to the tunes being sent) Noticeable "seat of the pants" power increase. MPGS still suck...

Some folks, which have posted in the past, do take issue with the shifting setup. I for one have not had that problem. The truck, IMO, is always searching for the highest gear to obtain the greatest speed at the lowest RPM maximizing fuel efficiency...This in some cases causes the truck to 'lug', i.e 6th gear at 35mph...Which can also be argued that this strategy does not yield the best fuel economy. Thus, while I am in the city, I will lock out 6th gear completely.

I would guess 5star could 'tweak' you a tune, or other tuners as well, but still have you retain the stock shift points or something similar...

Oh btw ---I for one will never go back to stock...
 

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It is always a trade off. One of the major factors of a gas performance tune are the shifting characteristics. Increasing line pressures, shift points, etc is part of building a performance tune and because no two people or driving styles are the same, you will always have some folks that the performance shifting strategies work for and others that it doesn't. A performance tune with the factory shifting strategy will never yield the same responsiveness, etc.

Also, I will add, I shift mine manually most of the time, especially around town. But I do so without putting the shifter in actual manual mode position. You can be in automatic mode and lock out whatever gear you want. I have found that this causes two different conditions. First, if you are in auto position and lockout 5th & 6th gears, it will hold 4th gear pretty much to the rev limiter. But, at the same time, it keeps mine from "searching" for the right gear to be in when at that sweet spot of shifting. I have not had trouble with doing this and in fact, the only trouble I have had with my tranny has to do with another common issue with the 6R80 tranny where it may (from a dead stop) shift all the way to 5th gear on it's own and you have to turn the truck off and cycle the key to reset everything. (I am currently waiting on the dealership to call me and let me know the parts have arrived so they can fix that, but it is an issue common enough with stock tuning that there is a factory TSB about it being fixed under warranty)
 

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Thanks for the feedback. I am not seeing those transmission issues on my stock tune. I find that it shifts just fine, but that's just my off the cuff observation. I will be more observant in the coming days, but I am getting the feeling I am happy with how the truck shifts now and would probably be better of leaving well enough alone. But i keep hearing how these tunes "wake the truck up", and I'm trying to determine how much of this "waking up" is engine performance and how much is transmission related. My concern is that by leaving the transmission strategy stock I may be missing out on a key part of the tune and might as well not tune at all. Thoughts?

---------- Post added at 02:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:31 PM ----------

How do you lock out a a gear? Is this a RTFM moment? :)
 

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Thanks for the feedback. I am not seeing those transmission issues on my stock tune. I find that it shifts just fine, but that's just my off the cuff observation. I will be more observant in the coming days, but I am getting the feeling I am happy with how the truck shifts now and would probably be better of leaving well enough alone. But i keep hearing how these tunes "wake the truck up", and I'm trying to determine how much of this "waking up" is engine performance and how much is transmission related. My concern is that by leaving the transmission strategy stock I may be missing out on a key part of the tune and might as well not tune at all. Thoughts?

That is correct. The results from performance tuning is a combination of engine and transmission tuning that work together to increase performance. Increasing performance is a trade off. The "issues" being had by others are not exactly "problems" with the tuning. They are issues that are associated with each person's individual driving style and where they like to drive in the speed ranges, etc. It is not a problem with the tuning itself. It is the fact that those having the issue have a driving style where their normal speed happens to fall right at the shift point of the transmission tuning/ shift points. So their normal driving habits happen to put them in a situation where they are hovering at speeds that are right dead on the shift point for the given gears they are in and thus their transmission constantly changes from one gear to another. The reason this doesnt happen often or at all with the stock transmission tuning is because the stock strategy allows for shifting into as high a gear as possible as soon as possible for economy reasons.

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Locking out a gear is when you are in the regular automatic position instead of in manual mode position with the gear shifter itself and you hit the button to drop a gear as if you were downshifting. Doing this allows the transmission to shift normally while not allowing the it to go into the higher gear that you have "locked out". So if you want to lock out 6th, you put it in drive and hit the button as if you were downshifting in manual mode and you will notice that 6th gear will disappear from the gear position indicator.
 

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Great points Chris...I agree 100% 'tradeoffs'...

Chris, I have never had the 1st to 5th problem....

Lockout a gear by using the buttons on the side of your shift lever...Makes it fun to drive too...

Chris you always explain things better...you should have been a teacher!
 

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Great points Chris...I agree 100% 'tradeoffs'...

Chris, I have never had the 1st to 5th problem....

Lockout a gear by using the buttons on the side of your shift lever...Makes it fun to drive too...

Chris you always explain things better...you should have been a teacher!

Yeah, I thought that one was very strange, but a little research and looking through Alldata I found a TSB about it and the fix is to replace the "Molded Leadframe" in the transmission above the valve body. When it happens, it jumps the gears like that, throws the little wrench indicator and the information display flatlines with no information available. Cycling the key by turning the truck off and then restarting it clears the issue, but it has nothing to do with tuning.
 

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Yeah, I thought that one was very strange, but a little research and looking through Alldata I found a TSB about it and the fix is to replace the "Molded Leadframe" in the transmission above the valve body. When it happens, it jumps the gears like that, throws the little wrench indicator and the information display flatlines with no information available. Cycling the key by turning the truck off and then restarting it clears the issue, but it has nothing to do with tuning.

Yes sir....this one happened to me. After they replaced that leadframe connector the truck has shifted harder (I have not put a tune on my truck at all).
 

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That is good information...I would hope nothing else gets 'messed' up with the issue...

Me too...lol

Yes sir....this one happened to me. After they replaced that leadframe connector the truck has shifted harder (I have not put a tune on my truck at all).

Yep. It isn't an issue with tuned trucks although it can still pop up. It is an issue with many different vehicles from Ford that run the same transmission.

Below is the information as pasted directly from one of the TSB's associated with that issue.

A/T - High Gear Engagement From A Stop, MIL, DTC P0720/P0722

TSB 13-4-9
04/18/13
6R80 TRANSMISSION HIGH GEAR ENGAGEMENT
FROM A STOP - VEHICLES BUILT ON OR BEFORE
4/8/2013
FORD:
2011-2013 Mustang, F-150
2012-2013 Expedition
LINCOLN:
2012-2013 Navigator
The article supersedes TSB 13-2-3 to update the Title, Issue Statement and add a production fix date.
ISSUE
Some 2011-2013 Mustang, F-150, 2012-2013 Expedition and Navigator vehicles equipped with a 6R80 transmission and built on or before 4/8/2013 may exhibit a transmission engagement in higher (5th) gear when starting. The wrench indictor and/or the seat belt minder may be illuminated, the speedometer reads zero and the odometer displays dashes while driving. Symptoms may clear after an ignition key cycle. Diagnostics trouble codes (DTCs) P0720 and P0722 may or may not be stored in the powertrain control module.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
Replace the molded leadframe on the main control assembly. Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 307-01 Shift Solenoids.
NOTE REPLACEMENT OF SHIFT SOLENOIDS ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS PROCEDURE.


Parts Block
WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage
Warranty/ESP coverage limits/policies/prior approvals are not altered by a TSB. Warranty/ESP coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part and verified using the OASIS part coverage tool.
OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME

130409A 2011-2013 F-150, 2.1 Hrs.
2012-2013
Expedition/Navigator 6R80
Transmission: Check DTCs
And Replace The Molded
Leadframe (Do Not Use
With Any Other Labor
Operations)

130409A 2011-2013 Mustang 6R80 2.2 Hrs.
Transmission: Check DTCs
And Replace The Molded
Leadframe (Do Not Use
With Any Other Labor
Operations)
DEALER CODING
CONDITION
BASIC PART NO. CODE
7G276 D4
 
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