Safety check if you have an aftermarket front “Suspension System”

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We haven't seen binding issues with the Camburg or TC upper arm.

Below is a pic showing the Camburg hardware compared to the arm in question. The TC mis-alignment spacers are a bit different than the Camburg ones, but the hardware will be similar in height.

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make sure your motives are still "safety" and not trying to sell the kit you have.
 

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We haven't seen binding issues with the Camburg or TC upper arm.

Below is a pic showing the Camburg hardware compared to the arm in question. The TC mis-alignment spacers are a bit different than the Camburg ones, but the hardware will be similar in height.

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So, you have seen the 3in kings shock setup running it with the camburg hardware and there is no binding or is the setup you claim is unsafe the only setup you have seen.
 

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So, you have seen the 3in kings shock setup running it with the camburg hardware and there is no binding or is the setup you claim is unsafe the only setup you have seen.

From what I understand, the truck that they inspected is the only kit on the road that has that particular ADD upper arm kit with King Shocks. ADD installed their kit on the truck as tested with stock Shox and the owner had Kings installed at another shop after the fact(against Jarod's advice). The additional travel allowed by the Kings is what could be to blame for the binding.

As Scotty stated, he has the exact same kit with stock Shox and has had no issues after several thousand miles and some hard off-roading.
 
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make sure your motives are still "safety" and not trying to sell the kit you have.

I could care less about selling in this thread, take a look and see how often I get to hop on the forums... Not much... This is and always has been about safety.

The pic posted is to show the amount of leverage on the 7 1/2" bolt spacer thing compared to either the camburg or tc hardware.

So, you have seen the 3in kings shock setup running it with the camburg hardware and there is no binding or is the setup you claim is unsafe the only setup you have seen.

The Add upper arm set up with the either the Kings or the way they sold it in the beginning with the fox coil over and lift spacer is unsafe. The design of the arm w/ the 7 1/2" bolt and spacer is unsafe. Here is a reason why -

"As for 4142 HT it is a good material and I use it in some parts the bigger issue is design and leverage. You can easily outperform an exotic material with just a small dimensional change. Geometry wins over material hands down and that spacer is ******* scary. The other no-no in both those spacers is pulling a taper into the spindle and then pulling back on it when the other hardware is installed. It’s called an “indeterminate structure” and unless an EXTENSIVE amount of engineering goes into it calculating compressive and tensile deflection in all the parts in the assembly then you’re asking for it. In this case I don’t even need to do the calculations. I can see that to torque the hardware correctly you will soon dislodge the taper just by the fact that the upper nut is larger than the bottom. At that point it’s just a mater of time before the cam loads from the spacer on the spindle work the thing apart."



From what I understand, the truck that they inspected is the only kit on the road that has that particular ADD upper arm kit with King Shocks. ADD installed their kit on the truck as tested with stock Shox and the owner had Kings installed at another shop after the fact(against Jarod's advice). The additional travel allowed by the Kings is what could be to blame for the binding.

As Scotty stated, he has the exact same kit with stock Shox and has had no issues after several thousand miles and some hard off-roading.

The upper arm is not special on this truck, it is the same setup Add has been advertising and selling...

Just because someone has had the set up on their truck for several thousand miles does not make it safe.. No one, and I mean no one who understands the working of off road suspension would put this on their truck and run in the desert with their loved ones in the truck.

Again, please read above why this kit is unsafe in wither shock set up form...
 
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ADD Suspension Parts Break Down;

Upper Control Arms: 4130 .120 wall, 1" 4130 Uniball, Delrin Upper Control Arm Bushings

Spindle Adaptor: 4142 CF Q&T SR ASTN A434 CL BC (NOT Stainless Steel)- Very Very Strong!

Tie Rod Adaptor: 4340 N&T mil5000 CND E4

Tie Rod: 303 Stainless Steel (way stronger than factory cast)

-The suspension Kit we supply has not been tested with the aftermarket shocks. If in fact the suspension is binding during down travel, then I will simply increase the angle of the uniball on the upper control arms; which in turn will increase the down travel. I do appreciate other shops in the valley doing the research for me. I would have liked the opportunity to have tested the truck personally but was not able too. The customer who owns this truck is a great guy with good character, and I would have liked the opportunity to correct, adjust, and fine tune any issues his truck (has/had). There are different ways of handling things and some people look to stir up the pot. I simply choose to correct and improve on our entire product. Thank you everyone for your concerns and understandings.


I appreciate you coming on here to state your position.

I have one question: How many of these kits were sold? The OP seemed to indicate that there's more than one kit installed.
 
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Thank you for your safety and concerns. Like I stated in the previous post; given the opportunity to diagnose and look at the untested product with the aftermarket shock we will address the issue and work out any details or issues to make sure the product works correctly.
 
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We have sold 0 of these kit's with aftermarket shocks, With the stock Stock setup there is no binding. The issue is with aftermarket shocks. We are currently changing the angle on the upper arms so that they may be used with either setup.
 

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It is not my job to tell another vendor that they have a crap product.
So why did you ?
Below is a pic showing the Camburg hardware compared to the arm in question. The TC mis-alignment spacers are a bit different than the Camburg ones, but the hardware will be similar in height.See pic above
The other no-no in both those spacers is pulling a taper into the spindle and then pulling back on it when the other hardware is installed.
So the one on the left is Cambergs ? and its not designed right either as you state above but you still install it ?
So tell us again whats safe and whats not? You seem to be contradicting yourself.If I am looking at this wrong then my bad.
 
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It is not my job to tell another vendor that they have a crap product.
So why did you ?
Below is a pic showing the Camburg hardware compared to the arm in question. The TC mis-alignment spacers are a bit different than the Camburg ones, but the hardware will be similar in height.See pic above
The other no-no in both those spacers is pulling a taper into the spindle and then pulling back on it when the other hardware is installed.
So the one on the left is Cambergs ? and its not designed right either as you state above but you still install it ?
So tell us again whats safe and whats not .You seem to be contradicting yourself.If I am looking at this wrong then my bad.

SDHQ's product is no safer than the other one. When you make those kind of changes you remove all integrity... The only way to make that safe is to install a new knuckle, not add a piece to the top...
 
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It is not my job to tell another vendor that they have a crap product.
So why did you ?
Below is a pic showing the Camburg hardware compared to the arm in question. The TC mis-alignment spacers are a bit different than the Camburg ones, but the hardware will be similar in height.See pic above
The other no-no in both those spacers is pulling a taper into the spindle and then pulling back on it when the other hardware is installed.
So the one on the left is Cambergs ? and its not designed right either as you state above but you still install it ?
You seem to be contradicting yourself.If I am looking at this wrong then my bad.

Why do I? Because I have the knowledge to know when a product is not safe and I could care less about any back lash from stating it. The quote about the hardware is not from me but an offroad suspension engineer. The Camburgs and TC are designed correctly, neither are designed like the 7 1/2" bolt spacer set up on question.


SDHQ's product is no safer than the other one. When you make those kind of changes you remove all integrity... The only way to make that safe is to install a new knuckle, not add a piece to the top...

I am not advertising a product of my own. If you are questioning if the Camburg arm is safe, it is. The engineering behind that set up and the TC arm is solid.
 
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