Rattles...what’s your tolerance?

[Socalbeachbum]

It's probably the clips. They ran a bluff on you that failed. Had you said "Well, gee, maybe coulda' been me." they'd have said it wasn't covered under warranty and charged you a fortune to fix it. Now they only get what FMC will pay them and that's a lot less. I've been reading about dealership service departments and many, if not most, are on a commission basis. The more the service advisor gets you to spend, the more he makes. They pull all sorts of ****** tricks that you need to be aware of or you'll get taken. Step one is to review the owners manual before you go in, every time. They love to recommend unneeded maintenance and who remembers when you're due for things like plugs or filters or transmission fluid. They're nice. They're friendly. They're likeable. They're professional. And their job is to take you for every penny they can. It's *****.

Oh gotcha

 

[isis]

My other car is an early 00’s GM. I don’t hear rattles anymore.

 

[FordTechOne]

My statement is biased, and yours clearly is as well. It's my post, my opinion, and subjective...and so is yours. If it was so heavily "biased", I would be driving a Tundra/Taco and trashing Fords everywhere I go. I've driven Fords my whole life, and buy a new one every one or two years. I've noticed when people claim some deficiency with Ford on this forum, you often call them out, become defensive, and sometimes derogatory. We all appreciate your input and help, as you have tons of experience with these trucks. However, as things happen and these trucks aren't perfect so you will have to allow some level of complaints related to the ownership experience.

I have no bias nor am I "defensive" as you claim; I rely on facts, data, and my extensive experience in this industry. I've serviced every brand from Kia to Porsche throughout the years, and I have plenty of experience with vehicles other than Ford. I'm here to help members, but I can't help those who's existence revolves around complaining.

My experience with little to no rattles on Toyotas is just as "anecdotal" as yours. My opinion is that Toyotas have less rattles. Toyota has beaten Ford year after year in reliability from data collected from multiple independent research corporations, so my opinion happens to be partially backed up by research. You can pick through the internet and find specific incidences of failure for anything. The same could be said for ANY vehicle manufacture, whether lawsuit, TSB, or recall. The people on AR15.com do the same thing...someone says a gun is good, and some guy googles "problem" and a loose barrel nut on a consecutive number of rifles is thoroughly pounded in the next reply.

Maybe you forget what you posted, it's far from stated as an opinion:

That's a problem with Ford. My family has always purchased Toyota...and they will go 100k+ with no rattles and squeaks.

You start your assertion with "that's a problem with Ford...". You stated that as if it was a fact, when it's not even remotely true. As far as "independent research organizations", what level of detail do you have in regards to said "reliability"? You have none. CR is a joke and statistically insignificant, while JD Power, which all manufacturers pay for and use for benchmarking, only provides overall ratings to the general public. That means that the general public - you - have no clue what differentiates one brand or model from the next; the rating is simply an average of all rating areas. So if consumers complain about about the speed of the Ford on board WiFi and Toyota doesn't even offer the option (they don't), Ford is automatically behind. I have seen the data, and as a Toyota brand loyalist it would make your head explode.

Ignition switches, exploding fuel tanks , and speed control modules are just a few Ford issues that lead to deaths off of the top of my mind, and not all were immediately released. I can also google more issues, but I won't because we both know they exist. I never claimed that you did not have to complete regular maintenance on them, either...so I'm not sure why you mentioned that. Ford, Lincoln, Mercury...Toyota, Lexus, Scion...almost all of the manufactures have their generic, luxury, and failed brands. Once again, I specifically mentioned Ford being ahead in technology and that's one reason I have stuck with them. I can't argue with that fact, as you just supported it.

That's your problem, you're more inclined to google 3rd party complaints than to rely on your own experience or credentials, because you don't have any. Toyota covered up the frame rust issue and lost the class action for $3.4 Billion. They covered up the unintended acceleration issue, lied about it in court, and paid the highest fine of any manufacturer in the world for it. Toyota was still installing known defective Takata airbags in their new vehicles with a disclaimer on the window sticker stating that the vehicle would be recalled later. The fact that anyone, let alone an American, would support a foreign company with ethics like that is appalling.

I would say that it's going a little too far to say that Toyota is doing nothing but "capitalizing on our situation" while Ford is doing nothing but helping our country through the pandemic. That is unsubstantiated and horribly subjective. Toyota also made masks, filters, and were (not sure if they did) building ventilators. They brought vehicle manufacturing here, when other US companies outsourced. I'm not claiming that Toyota is infallible, although by your response one would think I was. I obviously don't hate them to the level you do, either. I get it, I offended you by claiming that Ford's reliability was below Toyota. My bad.

What you say doesn't matter, the facts do. Unsubstantiated? Maybe you don't follow the news, but Ford has committed entire facilities to building PPE to support our healthcare workers and first responders. They also engineered respirators from the ground up using F-Series seat fans which have saved countless lives while medical equipment suppliers were months behind. GM has been doing the same. Toyota initially claimed they were going to biuld PPE, but it's vaporware. They only care about positive PR, not American lives or this country.

As far as US manufacturing, you once again prove that you know nothing about the auto industry. Toyota and other Japanese auto manufacturers built plants in the US because in many cases it was cheaper than shipping the vehicles from Japan. If you believe they did it out of the kindness of their own hearts to support American workers, you're really a lost cause. All Japanese owned US auto plants are low wage, contacted, non-union labor. They pay significantly less than GM/Ford/Chrysler Union plants, the employees have poor benefits, they do not allow profit sharing, and a large majority of their workforce are "temps", which means they get laid off seasonally. That is how companies like Toyota can make claims that they "don't have layoffs"; they rely on temps when they are busy, and send them home when things slow down. Personally, I have family that made it to the upper middle class thanks to high paying UAW jobs with optional overtime, profit sharing, and $0 deductible health care coverage. As far as foreign owned plants, you'll make just about the same working at Wal-mart. If you can't understand that, nobody can help you.

 

[MattR]

I have no bias nor am I "defensive" as you claim; I rely on facts, data, and my extensive experience in this industry. I've serviced every brand from Kia to Porsche throughout the years, and I have plenty of experience with vehicles other than Ford. I'm here to help members, but I can't help those who's existence revolves around complaining.



Maybe you forget what you posted, it's far from stated as an opinion:



You start your assertion with "that's a problem with Ford...". You stated that as if it was a fact, when it's not even remotely true. As far as "independent research organizations", what level of detail do you have in regards to said "reliability"? You have none. CR is a joke and statistically insignificant, while JD Power, which all manufacturers pay for and use for benchmarking, only provides overall ratings to the general public. That means that the general public - you - have no clue what differentiates one brand or model from the next; the rating is simply an average of all rating areas. So if consumers complain about about the speed of the Ford on board WiFi and Toyota doesn't even offer the option (they don't), Ford is automatically behind. I have seen the data, and as a Toyota brand loyalist it would make your head explode.



That's your problem, you're more inclined to google 3rd party complaints than to rely on your own experience or credentials, because you don't have any. Toyota covered up the frame rust issue and lost the class action for $3.4 Billion. They covered up the unintended acceleration issue, lied about it in court, and paid the highest fine of any manufacturer in the world for it. Toyota was still installing known defective Takata airbags in their new vehicles with a disclaimer on the window sticker stating that the vehicle would be recalled later. The fact that anyone, let alone an American, would support a foreign company with ethics like that is appalling.



What you say doesn't matter, the facts do. Unsubstantiated? Maybe you don't follow the news, but Ford has committed entire facilities to building PPE to support our healthcare workers and first responders. They also engineered respirators from the ground up using F-Series seat fans which have saved countless lives while medical equipment suppliers were months behind. GM has been doing the same. Toyota initially claimed they were going to biuld PPE, but it's vaporware. They only care about positive PR, not American lives or this country.

As far as US manufacturing, you once again prove that you know nothing about the auto industry. Toyota and other Japanese auto manufacturers built plants in the US because in many cases it was cheaper than shipping the vehicles from Japan. If you believe they did it out of the kindness of their own hearts to support American workers, you're really a lost cause. All Japanese owned US auto plants are low wage, contacted, non-union labor. They pay significantly less than GM/Ford/Chrysler Union plants, the employees have poor benefits, they do not allow profit sharing, and a large majority of their workforce are "temps", which means they get laid off seasonally. That is how companies like Toyota can make claims that they "don't have layoffs"; they rely on temps when they are busy, and send them home when things slow down. Personally, I have family that made it to the upper middle class thanks to high paying UAW jobs with optional overtime, profit sharing, and $0 deductible health care coverage. As far as foreign owned plants, you'll make just about the same working at Wal-mart. If you can't understand that, nobody can help you.

Once again, a reply full of insults, clearly biased opinions, and unsubstantiated third-party and over-generalized claims. It's clearly a waste of time responding.

Except for this- not having UAW in the facilities is probably why the overall reliability is so high.

 

[FordTechOne]

Once again, a reply full of insults, clearly biased opinions, and unsubstantiated third-party and over-generalized claims. It's clearly a waste of time responding.

Says the guy with no credentials referencing google as his source. The only waste of time are your posts on this forum, all you seem to do is complain and and make baseless references to Toyota superiority.

Except for this- not having UAW in the facilities is probably why the overall reliability is so high.

You’re claiming that workers who receive an $8,000-$10000 yearly profit sharing check based on company performance, which is directly tied to vehicle quality, are less inclined to do their job properly than those making $12 an hour at a foreign owned plant with a temp status, poor heath coverage, and no profit sharing? Do you realize that makes absolutely no sense?

 

[Socalbeachbum]

Thanks for hijacking my thread, Matt.

 

[Socalbeachbum]

Side not I’m actually pretty frustrated how noisy the cabin is. I had an 18 xlt with the same interior and it was whisper quiet. My center console creaks a ton! It sounds like plastic shifting around. I don’t even want to start ripping that apart though. I’m really hoping the clips fix my issue with the door.

 

[Socalbeachbum]

Says the guy with no credentials referencing google as his source. The only waste of time are your posts on this forum, all you seem to do is complain and and make baseless references to Toyota superiority.



You’re claiming that workers who receive an $8,000-$10000 yearly profit sharing check based on company performance, which is directly tied to vehicle quality, are less inclined to do their job properly than those making $12 an hour at a foreign owned plant with a temp status, poor heath coverage, and no profit sharing? Do you realize that makes absolutely no sense?

Is the interior quality of my 800 any different than that of the 802a sans the leather seats and carbon fiber bits. Are my door panels the same?

 

[FordTechOne]

Is the interior quality of my 800 any different than that of the 802a sans the leather seats and carbon fiber bits. Are my door panels the same?

There are a few notable differences, including the upper instrument panel, center console, Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC), and Front Controls Interface Module (FCIM/center stack). Do you have stitched/padded leather on your door armrests?

 

[jamanrr]

Really, we drive a Ford Truck, if you want a Benz then get a G wagon.

If you are worried about rattles in an F150 then you will be chasing them for the rest of your life.

Oh and I have owned, 3 F150s in the past 6 years and my family has owned dozen or so of them. I believe they are the best trucks but they are after all a Ford and not a premium brand. Which is all I was saying.