Rant: Is it just me…

[Cody Templeton]

It's too bad the Gen 3 came out and made the Gen 2 look like a waste of money.

 

[jackjare9455]

It’s just you. The 6.2 is a terrible engine for what is supposed to be a performance vehicle; it’s a slow, old and inefficient E-Series engine designed for fleets. 5.2 is a fully forged hand built engine from the GT500. They have nothing in common aside from the number of cylinders. A high performance truck deserves a high performance engine. Hence the 3.5 HO and 5.2 S/C. I don’t understand how anyone could complain about having their choice of either.

Man, I don't normally get pulled in with the bait, but you snagged me...

The 6.2 is "terrible"? I would hardly call its track record/reliability or output terrible. Perfect? Nah, not by a long shot, but "terrible"?! Are we talking Ram ECO diesel engine terrible? 5.4 triton terrible? GM's 5 cylinder terrible? 4.7 dodge terrible? 6.0 powerstroke terrible? DOD/AFM terrible? Nissan's Cummins terrible? I really don't see it anywhere near those.
I did some digging on the ol' Googles... and it turns out the 6.2's first debut was in a racing application under the "Hurricane" development name (later renamed to "Boss"). https://www.motortrend.com/news/m5lp-1009-ford-motor-company-62-liter-v8-engine/ Pretty good read, I didn't want to copy and paste too much, but Ford/Roush modified the engine and used it in a 5th gen mustang estimated to be between 750-800hp. In 2008, ford ran the 500hp tuned 6.2 in the Baja 1000, and it made it through with no issues. Not a super human feat in itself worthy of holding a beer, wearing an American flag t-shirt and yelling about it in a southern accent, but they did it with eyes watching, which meant they had a lot of confidence with their reputation on the line. They did something that had never been done before, and it started a craze for the raptor that keeps gaining momentum.

The 6.2 had a late production debut in 2010 in the Raptor (and maybe the Harley edition truck?). It was never sold in a production vehicle before that. I believe it made it's way into other f-150 models in 2011, along with being a base gas engine (different HP and TQ rating, I assume from tuning) for the Super Duty lineup through 2016. In 2017, the E-series adopted the 6.2 and the engine was continued in the SD lineup with modified tuning and camshafts for more torque output. So... Ford thought the engine was good enough to place it in their heavy duty fleet service vehicles... I don't have a problem with that. The thing to note is, the engine had different specs when it went into the SD and E lineup. In 2010, the competition to the Ford 6.2 (chevy 6.2) was 403 hp/417 lb-ft of torque, with the Ford putting down 411hp/434 lb-ft of torque. So, at the time, Ford was king in the higher displacement power war for half-ton trucks. You have to remember, in 2008, we were coming out of a financial collapse and oil prices were nearing all-time highs. So, Ford engineers designed the ECO motor which had better MPG (off boost) and produced impressive numbers on a smaller displacement engine. Was it ready for the raptor yet? No... But I can be rather positive that Ford had the idea, at that time, to pull out the 6.2 from half ton use, due to government squeezing them on emissions and MPG requirements. Why not? The HO 3.5 stomps the 6.2 in every way imaginable, except that exhaust note LOL. But, that's just personal preference.

Your argument that the 6.2 was designed for commercial duty and the use of that as an argument to how ****** it is... I tried, but I can't find any evidence of that.

One neat thing to note, the 6.2 has only ever been used in the f-150, SD and E-series trucks/vans...

The 3.5 Ecoboost first debut was in a 2010 Linoln MKS:


So... historical use might NOT be a good argument point here. Technically, my Grandma had a ecoboost before it was available in the trucks, and you can't use any arguement on output, because it was different for the Gen1 raptor too... Also, some other notable mentions: Explorer, Expedition, Flex, Taurus, Transit, Navigator... etc...

I actually get what you are saying, I just think you hate the 6.2 a little too much LOL. Or, at least the guys who fanboy it. The 3.5 is not for everyone, and neither is the 6.2... both are great motors, one is better, one remains classic...

 

[Irregular F150]

Well im just excited to finally own a raptor and to be on a forum with a ton of great helpful owners.

 

[1BAD454SSv2]

Got both SCABs. Gen1 whippled and Gen 2 tuned ,R not worth the 100hp to 150hp more , unless i just want to have something new . i will Bide my time on a R

 

[mprice1234]

They sound like a FedEx truck with a hole in the muffler. I can’t imagine why…

Chalk this one up as one of the dumbest comments on FRF!

 

[EricM]

Chalk this one up as one of the dumbest comments on FRF!

He's got thousands of them on here, I could never choose his dumbest comment- but, wait, I'll try!

I think the "it's all new" insistance he has when referring to the 2015+ 3.5L EB engines. "It's NOT a CYCLONE!!!!!" MMM K.

 

[Donovan]

I think this thread broke the Ford world.

 

[Keith88]

I dont give a shit what anyone thinks. I live my life and buy what I want and if someone else likes it... cool.

 

[thatJeepguy]

Until you drive one and then realize it’s 1000% worth it! The overall driving experience compared to every other Raptor that has been produced is second to none.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not hating on other Raptor Gen’s or the 3.5HO Gen3, I’ve owned (5) Gen 1’s, (1) Gen 2, and (1) Gen 3 37 and love them all for what they are, but again none of them even come close to the R.

And honestly until you experience driving a R, you really don’t know what you’re talking about… You’re just talking…

Im not saying its not an amazing truck im just saying, for ME , i cant justify the price.

 

[FordTechOne]

Man, I don't normally get pulled in with the bait, but you snagged me...

The 6.2 is "terrible"? I would hardly call its track record/reliability or output terrible. Perfect? Nah, not by a long shot, but "terrible"?! Are we talking Ram ECO diesel engine terrible? 5.4 triton terrible? GM's 5 cylinder terrible? 4.7 dodge terrible? 6.0 powerstroke terrible? DOD/AFM terrible? Nissan's Cummins terrible? I really don't see it anywhere near those.

I didn’t say it was a terrible engine. I said it’s a terrible engine for what is supposed to be a performance truck. A 600lb cast iron engine over the front axle is detrimental to a truck designed to get airborne.

I did some digging on the ol' Googles... and it turns out the 6.2's first debut was in a racing application under the "Hurricane" development name (later renamed to "Boss"). https://www.motortrend.com/news/m5lp-1009-ford-motor-company-62-liter-v8-engine/ Pretty good read, I didn't want to copy and paste too much, but Ford/Roush modified the engine and used it in a 5th gen mustang estimated to be between 750-800hp. In 2008, ford ran the 500hp tuned 6.2 in the Baja 1000, and it made it through with no issues. Not a super human feat in itself worthy of holding a beer, wearing an American flag t-shirt and yelling about it in a southern accent, but they did it with eyes watching, which meant they had a lot of confidence with their reputation on the line. They did something that had never been done before, and it started a craze for the raptor that keeps gaining momentum.

That article was based on speculation and rumors that proved to be incorrect. The 6.2 was never intended to be used in a Mustang, especially considering its size and weight. The 5.0 was in development at the same time, which we all know replaced the 4.6. There was no way they were going to install a 2V single cam iron engine with a 5500RPM redline in a performance car.

Your argument that the 6.2 was designed for commercial duty and the use of that as an argument to how ****** it is... I tried, but I can't find any evidence of that.

Why do you think it’s so physically large and heavy? It was intended from the start to replace the 5.4 as the base engine in HD trucks. That doesn’t make it bad, that’s just what it was designed for.

One neat thing to note, the 6.2 has only ever been used in the f-150, SD and E-series trucks/vans...

The 3.5 Ecoboost first debut was in a 2010 Linoln MKS:
View attachment 397258

So... historical use might NOT be a good argument point here. Technically, my Grandma had a ecoboost before it was available in the trucks, and you can't use any arguement on output, because it was different for the Gen1 raptor too... Also, some other notable mentions: Explorer, Expedition, Flex, Taurus, Transit, Navigator... etc...

That was Gen 1 EcoBoost, which is completely unrelated to the Gen 2 used in the Raptor. The Gen 2 Raptor engine was developed in parallel with the Ford GT; they share ~60% of their parts. The Gen 2 3.5 has only been used in the GT and trucks.

I actually get what you are saying, I just think you hate the 6.2 a little too much LOL. Or, at least the guys who fanboy it. The 3.5 is not for everyone, and neither is the 6.2... both are great motors, one is better, one remains classic...

I don’t hate it, it’s just not a performance engine. So to hear certain members pining for it like it’s some kind of hidden gem is comical.