Power Steering Blowout & Failure!

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I appreciate the shout out Crystal. My dealer has been really good to work with thus far and I know they are trying to solve this. I didn't want to involve anyone higher up to make it seem like I'm not satisfied and going above them.

It is a bit of an anomaly since the pump keeps going so quickly. That's why I have been soliciting for ideas on here...

I completely understand, Yukon Joe; it sounds like your dealership is working hard to get to the bottom of this for you. I'll continue to keep an eye on this thread to see how things progress; if at any time you do want me to get involved, just let me know. :)

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The Night Raptor is back in the dealership for another bad PS pump. This one lasted 3 days. They replaced the rack at the same time too, witha good flush of the system.

I don't know why the pump keeps going? They are only lasting a few weeks to this last one only 3 days. NOw the pump isn't completely gone, but it is making a bad whining noise.

I'm considering putting the stock PS reservoir back on and bypassing the aux cooler that I added.

I'll really at a loss as to what's causing it?

Sounds like they need to replace the high pressures lines as well.
 

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I know that no one asked for my opinion but hopefully someone will find this post useful.

I see two different ways to tackle this issue. The first, as many have tried, is to upgrade components to address the steering issues experienced. The problem, as @bigred1097 points out, is that not all of the aftermarket components perform the same way the stock component being replaced. This means instead of replacing components, you end up replacing the entire system. Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a complete aftermarket; engineered steering system solution for our trucks yet. What is even more challenging is understanding what your system capacity needs are (since each of our trucks are set-up differently) by calculating the additional load the aftermarket wheels, tires, upper & lower control arms, tie rods, weight from lights etc... place on the steering system of our trucks and being able to properly size a new aftermarket rack, reservoir, pump, hyd lines and cooler to be able to handle that additional load. Without the ability to properly determine the load and size the components accordingly, we are left with guessing and checking. In this case, our guess and check testing method has left many with failed components and inoperable trucks.

The other option, is to work on reducing the load the steering components are exposed to with the hopes of allowing the stock system to function efficiently. Unfortunately, for most (and you probably don't want to hear this) means removing many of the modifications you made on your truck which increased the load on our steering components.

I understand option 2 doesn't work for everyone, however; the silver lining is that our trucks are very capable and extremely fun in their stock err...semi-stock(lets not be unreasonable here) form (see @Raptizzle cost-to-fun ratio thread http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f9/cost-fun-ratio-worth-39202/#post790443 ).

I am not trying to bash any of the aftermarket components or companies. Ultimately it is our responsibility as the truck owner and component integrator to understand the system load and choose the correct component/system upgrades as necessary.

Keep in mind too, that the point of the failure is not always the location of the problem. What I mean is that an overflow of the PS reservoir might not mean your reservoir is bad. Everything is integrated into a system, all parts work together and there are trade-offs to changing components. For instance pressure caps on reservoirs reduce cavitation in the fluid but can cause heat build up etc...

All this said, the stock PS system does suck, however; I recommend not adding insult to injury with certain mods.
 
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The problem with that dkfc13 is that it's already undersized for a completely stock raptor.


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What fluid have you been running?
Mercon V is what I believe the dealer is using.

Just got a call from them. They can only get the PS pump to whine on a cold start.

I hear it whine all the time, but admittedly, it isn't as loud as it is at start up.


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Have you ever tried a different fluid - like Redline D4 (compatible and better quality)? Just grasping at straws, as it seems this is a common issue.
 

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I'll add nose planting is hard on any parts stock or modded. I'm not saying anyone on here has don'e that just seen some action pictures. That said I think the torsen front end is an animal that ford was not ready for. I had mine whining at snoball last year that any 4x4 should have been able to handle. I added about a 1/2 pint to it. I would agree a bigger resivore would be worth it. But Modded ones as I've heard are not modeled after the stock one. My truck is stock on mid perch.
Is it possible to leave the stock on in place and add the RPG as just a extra resivore?
 

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Yes I agree. The stock system does not perform well based on the current load and our duty cycle. Let’s be honest, we are not going to change the duty cycle. That is the reason we bought this truck. My previous post was simply trying to suggest that we work to reduce the load on the stock system to improve performance instead of adding additional load through mods (since a complete engineered PS system upgrade does not yet exist).

Again no one knows your truck and your usage better than you so mod accordingly.

 

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Dealer called Friday afternoon. They flushed the system but didn't find any contaminants. Which is good, but still hard to figure out why the pump was whining.

Service tech said when the mechanic was flushing it he noticed that the whining appeared to be coming from a idler pulley. They ordered the parts and they will be here Monday. They will replace them under warranty.

I really hope that is where the whining was coming from, so we will see. I hate not having the truck on the weekends. It's been there a week tomorrow. :tizzle:


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