MPT Tune Version 4

[FORZDA 1]

All you “need” is the MPT tune (ngauge device) for a street-driven vehicle. Everything else is simply bling for your ego.

 

[Gsteve]

So basically after reading this thread, the consensus is: Buy the nGage and get the tunes you want. Aftermarket IC is optional,. not really needed for the majority of daily drivers. CAI is rarely mentioned, so I assume it's another "optional" add on. Jury also seems out on the lower temp (170 deg.) thermostat. I assume that plugs, or a re-gap, would be fairly essential with the added boost, but I don't see much reference to that. Some do, some don't, or is this something that almost everyone is doing at the time of Tune?

for 95% of what you want a tune is all you need , i did the plugs , 60 bucks wasnt a big deal and it seemed to make it smoother. Cai is junk.

 

[RaptorFlipper]

Well i beg to differ on the add ons. The tune, plugs, and guage are definitely the best bang for the buck and give the biggest initial gain i agree for sure. But turbo adapters are also cheap and offer a nice gain as well. Downpipe and Exhaust is next because not only do you get hp and torque gains, but the truck sounds much better as well. This is expensive in relation to the actual gains. Finally the CAI and intercooler certainly help and add gains, but they are less bang for your buck. Here what i can tell you. All together there is SIGNIFICANT difference and in my opinion money well spent. None of it is junk. Forced induction turbo engine relies on air coming in and getting out as fast as possible. All of these things aid in that. The more, colder air you can get in the engine and out as fast as possible, the more efficient the engine will be.Do not call something junk without proper knowledge. I first got the tune and guage, drove the truck for a bit, then added the exhaust, CAI, intercooler, and adapters, let me assure you the truck is MUCH faster and more responsive now. They all have a cumulative effect and add value. Maybe not for everyone because of the cost/benefit ratio, but they all add increases to the trucks performance.

 

[Gsteve]

cai will do nothing you can feel , maybe on a all out mod machine it will help but id be surprised. BCB tested a stock motor cai lost 1 hp.

 

[RaptorFlipper]

gsteve,

It brings colder air into the engine more quickly, period. That makes the engine more efficient. Go talk to folks who know about this stuff. Every race car on the planet has one for a reason. My guys do nothing but race cars. Their job is to make cars faster. The CAI does work, especially when combined with multiple other enhancers. No clue who BCB is, but go talk to folks in the know. It's simple physics for a turbo.

 

[Gsteve]

gsteve,

It brings colder air into the engine more quickly, period. That makes the engine more efficient. Go talk to folks who know about this stuff. Every race car on the planet has one for a reason. My guys do nothing but race cars. Their job is to make cars faster. The CAI does work, especially when combined with multiple other enhancers. No clue who BCB is, but go talk to folks in the know. It's simple physics for a turbo.

Brew city boost , a well known tuner. Not one tuner has found more than a few hp on these things. If they were worth buying these guys would be selling them.

 

[RaptorFlipper]

Brew city? Are you in Wisconsin?

 

[FORZDA 1]

…..go talk to folks in the know. It's simple physics for a turbo.

You're funny. I don't need to ask anyone because I AM one of the folks in the know. I've been "tuning" for 50+ years and I currently own two turbo vehicles and still do the tuning on two more (turbo cars) that I've sold. In the long past, there was much you could do to improve power output, but from about 2005 onward, the OEMs pretty much squeeze the most out of the intake and exhaust. It just doesn't sound as good because they must adhere to stringent noise emission standards.

Anything installed before the turbo is doing nothing but looking cool and supporting your ego. Anything after the stock turbo(s) isn't doing anything other than sounding "different" to satisfy your ego to change something.

Unless you're going to install a bigger turbos with matching catless downpipes all the "bolt-on" mods are only satisfying your ego. I'm not saying that's wrong, just realize what you're doing and press on. I have swapped out OEM parts just because it looks cool or sounds cool. DO it, just don't pretend why.

The tuning is everything on late model turbo cars(trucks).

 

[RaptorFlipper]

Look i am not trying to start anything here either, but i do not care what your credentials are. Saying that intakes, exhausts, turbo adapters, etc do not add anything is simply false. To what degree they add is certainly up for debate. I agree the tune is by far the most important and will give the most gains. I also agree that the latest standard technology is getting better as well. But consider this: My buddy and i both have 18 raptors, we raced when we first got them. He won by 1/4 truck length. He is scared to do anything to his to void his warranty. I got the mpt tune(93 prx) and n guage. We raced again, i won by 2.75 truck lengths. i then added adapters, CAI, intercooler, downpipe, and exhaust. We raced again and i won by 4.25 truck lengths. He did nothing to his. Everything else was the same(temp outside, gas, etc). I also have Dyno numbers to show you the same type gains going from just supercharger and tune to exhaust, CAI, headers, downpipe, exhaust, etc on my 13. Now that is a little differnet(non turbo) but same concept. The size of the pipes is smaller on OEM parts and was on my 18.

You can say it is semantics if you want, but to new folks on here trying to get real info your statements are misleading and confusing. There are gains to be had with some of these bolt ons, otherwise why would so many people do them? Dont say because they dont know any better, because that too is a false statement. If you want to say the gains are marginal in YOUR opinion, that is fine. I have data and so do others that prove otherwise.

 

[nikhsub1]

Anything installed before the turbo is doing nothing but looking cool and supporting your ego. Anything after the stock turbo(s) isn't doing anything other than sounding "different" to satisfy your ego to change something.

Really? So a good FMIC that yields ~30C lower IAT's than a stock IC isn't doing anything? And going from OEM Cats to catless downpipes also does nothing? Please.