Looking to purchase a Rapter, maybe GEN1 or GEN2?

[methose]

Hello ALL!! I am new to this forum. I am in the market for a Raptor! I am thinking about a GEN1 or GEN2. I have been a big big fan since the Raptor first came out! I am also a FORD guy. It is my Dream truck!! Unfortunately in this market they are(as everything else is) overpriced a bit! So is there anything I should keep my eyes open for and anything to be aware of when looking at the Gen1s and Gen2s. I live in Jersey so I know rust will be an issue. I dont mind the GEN1s, I had a couple of motor head buddys that said the GEN1 motors are great motors. I will be using it possibly for towing a small 5-6k lb RV once in awhile. I know they arent the best for towing on the Reg. I appreciate any advice!

 

[W0n70n]

The Gen 2 and Gen 3 have all of the new features and updated stock suspensions with warranties. The Gen 1 at this point is more of a passion project, if you want one you want one, if not then the newer vehicles are better daily drivers. I knew I wanted the Gen 1 because it's easier to fix at home since there is no warranty to begin with and most of the issues have been "solved" so resources are available to fix the thing in my driveway.

My advice, test drive all of them, wait for the one you want to have the features and price you're looking for and go for it, no forum post is going to tell you what you prefer.

 

[dspangler]

Hello ALL!! I am new to this forum. I am in the market for a Raptor! I am thinking about a GEN1 or GEN2. I have been a big big fan since the Raptor first came out! I am also a FORD guy. It is my Dream truck!! Unfortunately in this market they are(as everything else is) overpriced a bit! So is there anything I should keep my eyes open for and anything to be aware of when looking at the Gen1s and Gen2s. I live in Jersey so I know rust will be an issue. I dont mind the GEN1s, I had a couple of motor head buddys that said the GEN1 motors are great motors. I will be using it possibly for towing a small 5-6k lb RV once in awhile. I know they arent the best for towing on the Reg. I appreciate any advice!

I would also choose the gen 1 with the 6.2 just from the problem/pain/headache perspective. I have much more confidence in that, and very rarely see any issue with it. It’s slower than a gen 2, has less tech than a gen 2, but you can’t argue the fact that people are confident in the 6.2 (f150, f250, and fleet engine for many years now).

 

[smurfslayer]

SHYEAH! How many of the so called “trouble free” 6.2’s have given up the ghost in the last 3 months now?

People may be confident in the 6.2, but it’s no more “proven” than the eco at this point.

@methose - you need to check out the for sale section here. There are a few really, really clean trucks for sale - a Jen Juan for 39k just went up today and there are some good Jen Too examples out there for some more $$$.

Any generation Raptor will serve you well but remember that the older models are getting long in the tooth now and there are some examples out there that will need work. Seriously, check out our users with trucks for sale here, they’re trying to find good homes for good trucks.

 

[dspangler]

Fair point on the comment "proven". Yes, you are correct that both have a proven record as far years / quantity in service. However, you can then dig deeper and look at the service history, types of problems, warranty $$, etc. I do not have any rose colored glasses on when I say this... but, you will not find the issues on a 6.2 that you will see on the various iterations of the 3.5 ecoboost.
Performance and tech is one way to compare engines. That's not what I am interested in an an offroad truck. Reliability, and future problems are what I look at and gen 1 raptor provides much more security from having a truck down. It is just not worth the risk.

 

[Fever]

Send a PM to JimmyV. He posted yesterday that he was selling a sharp lookin Gen 2.

 

[CoronaRaptor]

Welcome to the place. The gen 1's are obviously a lot cheaper, especially the early gen 1's, depending on what you are used to driving will determine if you like all the creature comforts, or prefer a more modern gen 2 with better electronics. After 150k miles on my gen 1 it still is very comfortable inside and has enough luxuries for me, only wish I had a heated steering wheel and that's it. Look out for rust on the rockers and cab corners on the gen 1, look out for 2 missing pistons on the gen 2. If you find something you like, post it on here and we will help you decipher the good and bad with that particular vehicle, good luck.

 

[smurfslayer]

Fair point on the comment "proven". Yes, you are correct that both have a proven record as far years / quantity in service. However, you can then dig deeper and look at the service history, types of problems, warranty $$, etc. I do not have any rose colored glasses on when I say this... but, you will not find the issues on a 6.2 that you will see on the various iterations of the 3.5 ecoboost.
Performance and tech is one way to compare engines. That's not what I am interested in an an offroad truck. Reliability, and future problems are what I look at and gen 1 raptor provides much more security from having a truck down. It is just not worth the risk.

I mean, if we’re going reliability, sustainability, repairability, we’re to need a good carb’d big block from the 70’s with 4 bolt mains. I don’t think there’s any appreciable difference in the nuts and bolts of the powertrain.

I do see some weaknesses with
wheel speed sensors that scram the live valve shocks; default to full hard setting, moon roof and hardware omnipresent on far too many Jen Too and later Raptors.

I’d definitely consider Jen Juan for the right price.
#AllRaptorsMatter

there was one just posted for 39k... tempting.

but a ’17+ MY has a bunch of improvements worth considering carefully for sure. Not sure if that amounts to ~20-30k more but everyone makes their own calculations.

 

[FordTechOne]

Fair point on the comment "proven". Yes, you are correct that both have a proven record as far years / quantity in service. However, you can then dig deeper and look at the service history, types of problems, warranty $$, etc. I do not have any rose colored glasses on when I say this... but, you will not find the issues on a 6.2 that you will see on the various iterations of the 3.5 ecoboost.
Performance and tech is one way to compare engines. That's not what I am interested in an an offroad truck. Reliability, and future problems are what I look at and gen 1 raptor provides much more security from having a truck down. It is just not worth the risk.

Where is this data you claim to have viewed? You don’t have access to data on service histories, types of problems, or warranty costs. So there’s no “digging deeper”, that’s all a fallacy. Which of course aligns with all of the other BS you post.

There is no “risk” in buying either proven engine. Both engines are reliable, the EB is just significantly faster and more efficient.

 

[dspangler]

I mean, if we’re going reliability, sustainability, repairability, we’re to need a good carb’d big block from the 70’s with 4 bolt mains. I don’t think there’s any appreciable difference in the nuts and bolts of the powertrain.

I do see some weaknesses with
wheel speed sensors that scram the live valve shocks; default to full hard setting, moon roof and hardware omnipresent on far too many Jen Too and later Raptors.

I’d definitely consider Jen Juan for the right price.
#AllRaptorsMatter

there was one just posted for 39k... tempting.

but a ’17+ MY has a bunch of improvements worth considering carefully for sure. Not sure if that amounts to ~20-30k more but everyone makes their own calculations.

I know what you mean about today's tech versus tech of 70's and ease of work. But just comparing things say from 2010 on was really what I was narrowing down to.
I am looking strictly at engine weakness / strengths. Is it a fair comparison to look at TSB/recall data between the 6.2 in all its applications versus the same type of data for the 3.5 ecoboost in all of its applications? If that is an acceptable comparison tool, then the 6.2 is going to be the better of the two choices. The metric, to me, shows both Q1 in design and manufacturing which leads to the best consumer experience.

I would challenge the point of the cost difference between gen 1 and 2. If you looked at the value estimator of a loaded 2014 @ 50k miles versus a loaded 2018 @ 50k miles, you would see value that is much closer /similar. Look at Autotrader and that is also what you see for sale. Now, if you compare a 2010 5.4 raptor with 200k miles to a 17 raptor with 70k miles, then you will have that drastic value difference.